UK’s over reaction to Omicron.

If this variant isn’t mild we’re in deep dippy doodaa. Hopefully it is but we can’t take that risk. And Johnson can’t impose greater restrictions because of the 22committe: it’s their way or the highway..(for him, anyway)

No it’s not an overreaction. Have you seen the latest figures?

chrissy08

The biggest danger is all the constant propaganda, all the jumped up hype causing panic. There are absolutely no statistics to prove this is a danger to human life, there is not test & it’s winter, a time for viruses. I’m getting on with my life, had enough of his pantomime.

I get where you’re coming from chrissy08. I wish they stop telling us how many people have Covid (what does it matter so long as they are not too poorly & managing their symptoms quietly at home, like a lof of people I know have and are doing).

I don’t think ‘cases’ are important per se.

I think ‘numbers in hospital’ is important. That’s the most relevant figure. Anything else is white noise.

Monkeypox in Africa now so let it stay there

This is so right

Jo Maugham
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Boris Johnson can't tell us to cut down on socialising to tackle Covid because he didn't.
Boris Johnson can't impose meaningful restrictions to tackle Covid because his MPs won't back him.
Boris Johnson can't tackle Covid. And we're going to pay the price.

Dickens, maybe you should 'tell' us - and make it crystal clear just how dire things are already. People never realise until it's too late.

dickens it is chillingly worrying, excellent post

Caro57

Maybe we should look at it from a different angle and the current demands on the NHS which has no spare capacity

... that's the point, isn't it...

I think the government are aware - have been made aware - that the NHS is going to be completely overwhelmed if there are many more hospitalisations. The phrase is so commonly used now so we're almost seasoned to it and probably don't realise just how bad it might be if the service reaches tipping point.

Think back to previous winters when hospitals have been overburdened with influenza cases... patients waiting on trolleys in corridors for hours. They couldn't cope then - how can they possibly cope now?

My guess is that the government - and Johnson - are panicking... not because they revere the NHS, but because they know that the electorate will never forgive them if it collapses and people are left to die - not just Covid patients, but those that are in desperate need of treatment which they can't access; if the ambulance service reaches the stage where you might be told that the service is unavailable, or those that are seriously ill have to wait many, many hours for one to arrive. It has happened already.

Many in government, past and present, simply do not like the NHS being what it is - free at the point of need. Let's be honest here, Tory ideology is "small State" and that means one thing, privatisation and a pay-as-you-need system.

I won't go so far as to say they don't care about ordinary people - I'm sure they don't actually want people to die or suffer but they don't care enough, and they are so removed from the lives of the people they govern that they have no idea what life is like for the 'just-about-managing', or the truly impoverished who cannot, however many jobs / shifts they do, make ends meet. We are simply numbers on a balance sheet.

Money itself has no value. But money is power. He who holds the purse strings, holds the power. And that is the way the wealthy elite intend to keep things. Our government is just the interface between them and us. Corbyn (I must make it clear, I was not his fan) frit the life out of them when he coined the phrase "for the many, not the few" because that was a direct threat to the status quo - we are many, and they are few, it couldn't possibly be allowed to gain traction.

Government is in a bind - of its own making - Johnson is no more to blame than any of them... he's just the mouthpiece they wheel out to 'talk' to the nation. Over the last year I have spent many months in hospital - two hospitals - if I told you what I have witnessed as a long-term patient, you would be shocked to the core. I'm still reeling from what I've seen.

It’s not just the UK government that is seriously concerned about Omicron, where did that misinformation start?
www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/15/omicron-covid-likely-accelerate-death-rate-europe-eu-health-agency
I’m not a fan of the current government, but they are not making this up.

effalump

There are literally hundreds of thousands of scientists, virologists, epidemiologists and others with various 'ologies' with several decades of expertise that aren't on the payroll of either Government or Big Pharma that would also say that BoJos response is over zealous in the extreme but they have been ignored and 'cancelled'. You should ask youself why there has been no balanced debate or discussion. Why is the govt trying to outlaw anyone that says something against their narrative. We are in need of serious critical thought here.

But there has been "balance". The TV channels have given air time to some real fruit loops.

Maybe we should look at it from a different angle and the current demands on the NHS which has no spare capacity

You can
say that again!

There are literally hundreds of thousands of scientists, virologists, epidemiologists and others with various 'ologies' with several decades of expertise that aren't on the payroll of either Government or Big Pharma that would also say that BoJos response is over zealous in the extreme but they have been ignored and 'cancelled'. You should ask youself why there has been no balanced debate or discussion. Why is the govt trying to outlaw anyone that says something against their narrative. We are in need of serious critical thought here.

chrissy08

The biggest danger is all the constant propaganda, all the jumped up hype causing panic. There are absolutely no statistics to prove this is a danger to human life, there is not test & it’s winter, a time for viruses. I’m getting on with my life, had enough of his pantomime.

It isn’t about how dangerous it is. It’s about how many people will be ill at the same time, disrupting emergency services, supply chains, energy supplies etc etc. It doesn’t take much for this country to come to a grinding halt.

How about the people who are hospitalised with it?
Do they count as proof?

The biggest danger is all the constant propaganda, all the jumped up hype causing panic. There are absolutely no statistics to prove this is a danger to human life, there is not test & it’s winter, a time for viruses. I’m getting on with my life, had enough of his pantomime.

SylviaPlathssister, thanks for your honest and excellent post - and best wishes to you and your family.

SylviaPlathssister

* Maybe70* aw thank you. I feel really frightened for them with the constant exposure they are experiencing.
They are philosophical and really love their jobs, but are so tired
We are a medical family and feel furious with the way the Government has behaved, We knew from the time when the first U.K. residents were repatriated from Wuhan in January 2020. We knew people in the hospital where they were taken. They warned us then that the virus would become a pandemic.
There was very little PPE either, despite the lies Boris was spouting.

I can only send you my message if support, and thanks.

I so hope that this dreadful period will soon be over.

Or better still-GNHQ suspends them like they did my friend for using the word"fat" ? Cannot believe this post still up!

It's still up because no-one has reported it.

#bad case!!!!

Every bad Cassie dreadful but there are literally millions who have lesser symptoms to millions of degrees too. Any death is tragic but not all are unavoidable. My dad NEVER smoked was fit healthy athletic perfect weight clever beyond most, died bowel cancer! Who knew? Unfair-yes, a reason to get paranoid about it? Not really. We all do what we can to stay safe but I'm a real believer in the"if your numbers up!"school of thought, look at the guy who survived an explosion in thatcab?!?! A guy I knewsjrvived a huge fire in Woolworths in Manchester in 70s to get hit by a bus as he escaped burning building! I also had literally just been in the building myself but had rushed out realising I'd gone over my lunch time! See? Do what we can do every we can but don't spoil life in the rush to preserve it

Katie Hopkins, Nigel Farage, Donald Trump, Steve Bannon, Qanon = poisonous lies

JillyJosie2

^Taliya
Yes, it is an over reaction to Omricon. The best thing people can do to protect the NHS is to stop eating junk food, processed food and sitting on their a...efor 8 hours a day and start doing some regular exercise, eat fruit and veg and cook from scratch with no added salt and sugar. The obesity crisis in this country will kill far more than Covid or any variant. I still see really really fat people waddling around with face masks on outside and slathering themselves with anti bac. Lose weight! Also dont smoke...it causes long term lung damage and heart disease!
Absolutely spot on!!!!^

A very offensive post and response. Isn't it now unacceptable to call people fat? It's also victim blaming in the extreme, people get ill for all sorts of reasons including genetic susceptability, environmental causes, working in harmful industries, vehicle and other air pollution, water pollution, plastic pollution, harmful chemicals building up in cosmetics and packaging and MDF furniture, the list is endless.

I hope the posters have cause to regret such heartlessness and ignorance when they too, one day, will be ill.

Or better still-GNHQ suspends them like they did my friend for using the word"fat" ? Cannot believe this post still up!

SylviaPlathssister

I am not going to read the whole thread, but personally I don’t care what this Italian Doctor says. I am just telling everyone on here that the situation in hospitals is dire, NOW. How do I know.? Because my children are Doctors and there is a serious shortage of staff. There is no bottomless pit of extra staff to be had in the U.K. My children are working flat out and are being begged constantly to take on extra shifts. What do people think that is doing to them?
Last year, by January, we had ambulances outside the hospitals, unable to discharge patients, we had really sick people lined up on trolleys inside and huge waiting lists. And…no beds and triaging. The staff were put in the terrible position of deciding who gets what….that’s the reality. It’s going to happen again.

However small, any measure that helps the NHS, gets my vote,

Our Government has been in charge for 11 years. Instead of training home grown doctors ( it takes 10 years to get a fully trained GP on the ground), they employed staff more cheaply from elsewhere. You know why ? The cabinet is made up of privileged members who have no need of the NHS as they can afford to pay to go private. And they underfunded the NHS. It’s already a two tier system as they have been destroying it by stealth.

I haven’t got enough ugly words for this Government. And don’t bother quoting ‘ hindsight’ to me, either, as I have attended emergency meetings, that all counties are obliged to arrange. The top threat to life was always PANDEMIC.
This government was warned well in advance by the Ebola and SARS outbreaks and then Cygnus. They ignored every single warning. Ugh.
The only rest my dear children get at work at the moment is when they are in a lavatory.
100 Conservative MPs voted against the Governments measures yesterday. It was a vote against the NHS and IMO will accelerate a lockdown.
A mask is a scrap of material and a few minutes inconvenience in a shop. FFS. Wear a mask, get vaccinated and stay at home as much as possible. Please. Every little helps.
I think the NHS staff will need everyone’s prayers during the next couple of months.

Well said SPS!! Everything you say is the case. Criminal underfunding of NHS and a laissez faire attitude from the complete eff wits in charge/in power have exacerbated an appalling situation. Even before all our current issues, we had queueing ambulances and a&e stuffed to the gunholes with people who frankly should not even have been there! My mum was a matron in50-70s and she used to say "the clues in the name! If you've of had an accident- and it's NOT an emergency, see GP or buy some bloody plasters!" ? Needless to say most. Nowadays think that a rash/cough/ stubbed toe/feelings bit hot/ minor cut IS A matter for hospital. I still self administer for most of our ills at home and hospital is reserved for things like my DS burst appendix3 weeks ago- even though they wanted to send him home saying"it's probably trapped wind" really? That's what too much pressure does, mistakes are made and some cost lives. I cringe when I think how abused our medics are by the lazy overindulged hooray Henrys and henriettas in charge

Germanshepherdsmum

Not for the first time, Prof Chris Witty has produced a chart showing numbers of vaccinated vs unvaccinated people in hospital. I wish these charts would be more widely shown - maybe some of those who still refuse to be vaccinated would take note.
I readily admit to being frightened by the explosion in numbers of cases and being fearful of what increased and alcohol-fuelled indoor mixing over Christmas will do. I for one wish some restrictions would be introduced.

Has anyone seen the nasty spoof about Whitty that Katie Hopkins has done? I’m not advising anyone to watch it by the way. It popped up on another forum I’m on and disgusted me. The person who posted it thought it was funny.