Perhaps our situation with covid is looking up

You will probably find that a lot of the deaths are those with cancer who were denied treatment over the last two years, or those with comorbidities that have eventually succumbed to being sidelined by the NHS.

Just to clarify AJKW it’s not actually save the NHS, it’s save the lives of UK citizens who will die if the NHS fails to meet their needs. This could be you, a family member, your grandchild or your best friend.

Nobody is suggesting another lockdown are they?

Save the nhs by destroying small/medium sized businesses.
I cannot accept locking down everyone was ever the only option.

Bmj - British medical journal.

According to BMJ Omicron is JUST a cold.

My dental hygienist told me (whilst I was in no position to comment!!), that the client before me was an historian and had been telling her that historically, all world pandemics last around 3 years. I have no idea if that is so and no inclination to google it, but if it is the case, we could be over half way through! Not sure if that's a positive or negative - suppose it's subjective, but fingers crossed it won't be longer!

lemsip Where I work, all the Nightingale signs are stacked up with rotting wood pallets!

People believe what they want to believe about the future of Covid for a range of reasons. There are so many unknowns - such as a new variant yet to appear from the unvaccinated parts of the world - that we have to wait and see. Boris is walking a policy tightrope. What I would like to know is how many annual deaths from Covid does he consider acceptable to keep the economy open. His backbenchers seem to think keeping the economy open is worth any price.

I know a lot more people with Covid now than I have at any other stage of the pandemic, but people seem less worried about catching it, suppose this is because they're all fully vaccinated and the disease is less dangerous.
Must admit that I am still very worried that DH could be severely affected though.

I am being positive but I AM STILL WEARING MY MASK and doing all the hand washing etc. Why the assumption that others are just plain stupid?

We haven’t been out and about socialising and i’ve yet to catch up with friends so not too sure what’s been happening with them.

Our local daughter and her family have all had it except our older GS. Son and family in London, apart from toddler, have all had it. Our youngest in W. Yorkshire and her family are ok still.

People around here seem to be taking it more seriously now and the majority are wearing masks.

BStP

Does anyone know of a double vaccinated person falling v ill with covid in the last 2/3 weeks. People i know who have caught just before xmas (all over 60) have said it is no worse than a cold. Were all 4 just lucky or is it their vaccinations protecting them. I wish the govt would give more detailed info on who is being hospitalised

We have had quite a few friends and acquaintances test positive over the last couple of weeks
No serious illness mild cold symptoms and some only knew they had it by testing. One had flu like symptoms for a couple of days

Does anyone know of a double vaccinated person falling v ill with covid in the last 2/3 weeks. People i know who have caught just before xmas (all over 60) have said it is no worse than a cold. Were all 4 just lucky or is it their vaccinations protecting them. I wish the govt would give more detailed info on who is being hospitalised

Alegrias1

Nannan2

'Looking up'??thats what they said last year when they made a vaccine- and look where we still are now?!!!??

Where are we now?

No lockdown.
High case numbers yet a much reduced proportion in hospital or dying.
Treatments.
Reliable tests.
Vaccines that are still effective despite the chorus of people who think they don't work any more.

Where are we now? A bl**dy sight better off than we were this time last year.

Might there be another more virulent variant? Might omicron lead to as-yet-unimagined long term effects? Yes. And we might get hit by a comet tomorrow.

How do some of you get out of bed in the morning?

I agree with Alegrias1

micmc47

Reality check needed here, I think. Didn't know that ostriches could whistle in the dark, but some most certainly are...

That merely adds rudeness to the debate. Nothing more.
I'll stop making my point now.

mayisay

New Year's Day, and a new experience for me joining Gransnet.
With so much negativity around, more positive thinking is surely good?

Welcome to GN mayisay.

Rosie51

Why is it some people just hate a bit of optimism emerging? So far Omicron is infecting way more people but hospital admissions for complications arising from Omicron are not following the same trajectory. ICU admissions and deaths so far are also not the same proportions as the Delta wave. This might change but the indications are that it won't. I've been accused (in real life) of being a bit of a Pollyanna at times, but honestly why not enjoy a bit of positivity, we've lived with the negative for almost two years.

Why is it some people just hate a bit of optimism emerging?
Why not state your opinion on the situation without slagging off other people who are entitled to theirs?

I'm more sick of the bickering than the pandemic itself.

JenniferEccles

Oh let’s not spoil the fun of the eternal doomsayers.
The building of the Nightingale is possibly, to quote a phrase, an abundance of caution.

All the signs point to us having turned a corner, despite the rise in cases.

Have faith folks!

Oh let’s not spoil the fun of the eternal doomsayers.

Why be snarky about it?
I'm happy to watch and wait. I have no strong sense of optimism or pessimism but I'm tired of the weaponisng of opinion that this pandemic has brought out more than ever.

Nannan2

'Looking up'??thats what they said last year when they made a vaccine- and look where we still are now?!!!??

Where are we now?

No lockdown.
High case numbers yet a much reduced proportion in hospital or dying.
Treatments.
Reliable tests.
Vaccines that are still effective despite the chorus of people who think they don't work any more.

Where are we now? A bl**dy sight better off than we were this time last year.

Might there be another more virulent variant? Might omicron lead to as-yet-unimagined long term effects? Yes. And we might get hit by a comet tomorrow.

How do some of you get out of bed in the morning?

'Looking up'??thats what they said last year when they made a vaccine- and look where we still are now?!!!??

Exactly, MaisieD.
I just despair when people use the “I’m being positive” explanation when they’re abandoning masks, playing down transmission, visiting everywhere and generally trying to convince people it’s not serious.
It’s not flu and nothing like a cold in that whatever the symptoms or lack of symptoms ( if you’re lucky), the long term effects can be devastating.
Nobody should take risks with themselves or their families. Avoiding catching it is the only sensible policy.
My local paper has plenty of recent examples of children, young people and adults becoming seriously ill 6/8 weeks after having Covid.
Most people won’t be affected, however nobody knows who will be, so caution and precautions are as always the only ways to behave.

all we can talk about is deaths from something (omicron) which may be less harmful in the big picture than flu. I think we are all losing the plot here.

I don't think that people have quite taken on board the fact that the covid virus, unlike flu, can attack other vital organs apart from the lungs /respiratory tract. And that even 'mild' cases can have long term adverse effects.

We don't yet know enough about omicrom to be able to confidently assert that it's not so bad to have an omicrom infection and that it won't have long term effects.

We also have no idea what the next dominant mutation (if we get one) will be like. More or less transmissible? More or less lethal?

I'm not exactly cowering in fear, but I'm not terribly optimistic at the moment.

New Year's Day, and a new experience for me joining Gransnet.
With so much negativity around, more positive thinking is surely good?

Teacheranne

Barmeyoldbat

Yes they are, think it was on the news. What a mess this bunch in government have got us into, Johnson can’t even be bothered to attend COBRA meetings, instead spending his time on photo shoots. We haven’t even got enough testing kits.

Rev the testing kits, I went on the gvt website two days ago and ordered a test pack despite newspapers saying none were available and showing photos of messages.

It appears that more packs become available throughout the day so you just have to try again a few times. Both my brother and sister have managed to get packs this week as well.

I really find the negativity in the newspapers and on social media tiresome at the moment.

I do feel concerned about the mental health of the children in the doomsayers families. Imagine being surrounded by so much negativity as well as coping with the uncertainty. All this ridiculous talk about making one set of rules and sticking to them. Unfortunately covid doesn’t play by the rules and keeps changing the game plan.

Alegrais please no that woman is so depressing we are all doomed according Deepti Gurdasani

You don't know who Dr Gurdasani is and yet to claim to know how we should be behaving over Covid?

Okey dokey.

I don't do the lottery because I understand probabilities.