Refusing an unvaccinated person entry to a club or organisation

MerylStreep

Kali2

It was not meant to have this effect, but to illustrate the difference. I will therefore ask for the post to be withdrawn.

No apology, then? Par for the course.

I did think that asking for the post to be deleted, and to explain it was not meant to upset but to illustrate the big difference- was a clear apology. But I am very willing to say I am sorry.

Perhaps the people who found the remark offensive would like to stop re-posting it?

Just a thought.

Message deleted as it quotes a withdrawn post.

The unvaccinated are more likely to get the virus, so it follows that they pose a bigger risk of spreading it. I think you have to look at the risk to the rest of your group. Vaccination offers less protection to those who are immunocompromised, and speaking as one who belongs to that group (had my fourth jab today) I would not be happy at the thought of being in a singing group with someone unvaccinated, mask or not.

Kali2

It was not meant to have this effect, but to illustrate the difference. I will therefore ask for the post to be withdrawn.

No apology, then? Par for the course.

Thank you.

Just for the record, I did have another letter last week from our CMO whose advice I have been taking and shall continue to take until the situation improves.
Although I'm fully vaccinated, the advice is to avoid group gatherings.

I hope it is deleted. Very unkind.

?*Calistemon*.

I have asked for the post to be deleted. We have lost many too, and also far too young. Some to Covid- which is why the vulnerable need and deserve to be, protected from those who deliberately put them at risk.

It was not meant to have this effect, but to illustrate the difference. I will therefore ask for the post to be withdrawn.

Never been called ‘virtuous’ before Alegrias just thought I was being sensible and considerate of other people.

Thanks, MerylStreep
Having lost so many friends and a far too young, loved family member in the past couple of years (none from Covid) that made me feel sick. My stomach is still churning.

This is the kind of remark that drives people away from Gransnet.

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I am sorry. Not meant to be unplesant at all- but the reason why the situation is very very different in so many ways, and a totally different risk assessment.

What on earth does that mean?

Whatever, it sounds extremely unpleasant.

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Not at all the same, sorry.
In your opinion.

Mine may differ

Not at all the same, sorry.

We freedom comes responsibility, I was always taught. And why should the freedom of some restrict, and put at risk, others? Especially those more vulnerable.

why should you have to make the decision not to sing any longer with the choir-

It's not a case of not to sing any longer with the choir as this is not infinite.
Because cases are very high now, I wouldn't go to a choir meeting at the moment even if everyone was fully vaccinated. I would wait until the crisis is over, as I explained in my post.

I went to a funeral last week, we all wore masks and were singing. Not easy. I never thought to ask who had been vaccinated or not and the distraught widow gave me a big hug afterwards.

I did a risk assessment.

Fortunately everyone I mix with has had the vaccinations, in the situation you have described to me I would choose not to go. The others could do what they see fit. I have every sympathy for those that cannot be vaccinated but not for those that won’t do their bit.

Disability is a protected characteristic. If a person is unable to be vaccinated due to a existing condition then yes I think they would have a case although I am not a lawyer! They have no requirement to disclose their condition to a social group.
The other more practical issue is you have no idea if those attending groups are telling the truth. You are not being kept safe you have the illusion of safety.

Calistemon ''As someone with a compromised immune system, I am capable of making my own judgements whether or not I wish to attend group meetings whether others are vaccinated or not.'

totally- and yet. If you have been a member of a choir for years and have been happy to continue to sing regularly, because all are vaccinated and careful- why should you have to make the decision not to sing any longer with the choir- because a new member is admitted who does not respect the above, and could put all at increased risk?

All throughout our lives, from when we are aware of danger, we have had to make our own risk assessments.

Consulting the other members seems the fairest option. Some may have health issues that they have chosen to keep private and the unvaccinated may be more of a risk to them than to the healthy members.

Aren’t the rights of the vaccinated equal to the rights of those who choose not to be vaccinated? Glad it’s not my dilemma to resolve.

Ps I'm quite old too!!

Kali2

Galaxy

Are you saying they are exempt from the equality act.

Who- those who are put at risk due to age, pre-existing condition of low immune system?

As someone with a compromised immune system, I am capable of making my own judgements whether or not I wish to attend group meetings whether others are vaccinated or not.

I had been to a few but have sent my apologies for any this month as that seems sensible until the present crisis is over.

I shall still meet family or go out for lunch as I've no wish to be a hermit again. What was the point of having all the vaccinations if I spend my life indoors, seeing no-one?

However, no nightclubs, concerts or the rugby just yet.