Statement from the BMA on lifting Covid restrictions

Casdon good post. It’s the reason my two escaped to New Zealand for two years. Doctors are under pressure in this country whether they are GPs or consultants. Too many patients, too few doctors, Covid. It all adds up to immense pressure.

So 20% of doctors feel stressed out every day Casdon.
Which means 80% don’t.

My daughter’s a doctor, nothing particularly special, just an ordinary doctor. She told me that pandemics last between 3 and 10 years. I believe her.

Alegrias1

The BMA. The doctor's Union. Not a learned body.

They're entitled to their opinion as well as the next person, but they are not experts in this matter.

Of course neither is Boris and his gang of reprobates and I think they're going too fast. But I'm afraid the opinion of the BMA doesn't count as gospel. They didn't think we should have a 12-week gap for vaccinations either. Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong.

Well said Alegrias.

Her maths isn’t that bad Kali2 but to be honest it’s definitely a weak point - which we laughed about.

Of course the 10 years is the bare minimum- many GPs, as well as other medical practitioners, have long careers and further training and experience behind them too.

I'm good at maths. I mean, really good.

I know lots of doctors. Their maths is really not that good generally.

I am, however, disastrous at biology or anything to do with living bodies ?

It makes it a body of highly qualified professionals- who will have to conitnue to be trained up to date and assessed, throughout the career. That will do for me.

A GP. He's a GP.

Yes, someone who has studied medicine for 10 years.

Considering your friend would have had to have 3 As in Sciences to get to study medicine- then her maths can't be that bad!

THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT A LEARNED BODY.

Sorry, was I shouting?

Good post, as always Casdon

Yes I do

''Kali2 do you know what a learned body is?''

OH has been a Member for 43 years. All the Members are 'learned' I can assure you.

Alegrias1

A GP. He's a GP.

And I'll say this - he certainly doesn't understand data. Or maybe he understands how to use selective and misleading statistics to help make his case.

(Sorry UG, I jumped in)

Aren’t people on both sides of the argument doing the same which doesn’t actually prove anything ?

Just because someone has an ology does not mean that they are experts in every field.

What’s important is to read the sub-text of why the BMA have put this information out. It’s because of the feedback they are getting from their members about the pressures facing doctors in their roles at the moment. De-politicising and de-statisticising ( no such word I’m sure) the message tells the underlying story of the desperation they feel about their position.
This is the result of a survey from the Royal College of Physicians:
www.rcplondon.ac.uk/news/press-release-one-five-doctors-feels-overwhelmed-work-every-day

A friend of mine is a GP.
Maths isn’t her best subject that’s for sure! She admits she struggles.

No, I'm not looking down on him. I'm stating fact. He either doesn't understand that restrictions are imposed while data is on the increase, or he is declining to explain that the imposed restrictions have had their desired effect, that the NHS hasn't collapsed and that there are other effects to consider now.

You can disagree with someone and point out their inconsistencies or weaknesses without looking down on them.

This may be a foreign concept to some, eh GSM?

Glad you did Alegiras you answered that somewhat sneery question better than I would have been able.

Are you looking down on a professional person Alegrias? You of all people?

A GP. He's a GP.

And I'll say this - he certainly doesn't understand data. Or maybe he understands how to use selective and misleading statistics to help make his case.

(Sorry UG, I jumped in)

Germanshepherdsmum

Who do you think wrote the BMA article Urms? The tea lady? One of the secretaries? Or perhaps a qualified doctor?

Probably the media officer of the union

Who do you think wrote the BMA article Urms? The tea lady? One of the secretaries? Or perhaps a qualified doctor?

Personally I wouldn't put any trust in either.

Carrie? Haha. I did WWmk2.
Gremlins alert.

Whitewavemark2

Well if the scale of trust was between the BMA and Johnson, my trust would be in the BMA every time.

Anyone who puts their trust in Johnson needs to give their head a wobble.

But you would say that Carrie.

All knowledge decays. They all do a medical training, but once they specialise, their other knowledge, apart from basic soon decays.

Politicians have a wide range of backgrounds and interests they have developed. i would imagine for many this last two years has been a fast learning curve. They have been in constant daily contact with infection specialists and epidemiologists and I suspect know and understand a lot more than some doctors, not directly involved with treating and caring for those with COVID.