Western Australia bans unvaccinated parents from visiting their sick children in hospitals

nanna8

You are actually allowed to take masks off once you sit down to eat or drink though. Might be a bit difficult otherwise. It is more relaxed now than it has been because nearly everyone,about 94%, are double vaxxed. Not that that helps, people are still going into intensive care and dying but they carefully avoid saying the vaccinations aren’t actually much good.

Yes!
It's a true story though, not hearsay!

You are actually allowed to take masks off once you sit down to eat or drink though. Might be a bit difficult otherwise. It is more relaxed now than it has been because nearly everyone,about 94%, are double vaxxed. Not that that helps, people are still going into intensive care and dying but they carefully avoid saying the vaccinations aren’t actually much good.

I wonder what some on here would think if they were threatened with arrest by a police officer with a gun for taking off their mask to drink a cup of tea?
and they were double vaccinated too!!

nanna8

WA is different. We all know it. A race apart. Sooner or later Corona virus will spread there, just as it did here in Victoria despite our ridiculously harsh measures. Who would have helicopters flying overhead to check if anyone was breaking curfew? We did. Who would be refused entry to a shop or cafe without a vaccination certificate? We did/do. Mind you, a happy medium would be good and I would hate to be under the English jurisdiction of no rules at all.
Don't forget, many in Australia have a threat of deportation hanging over them and that is one of the reason for compliance. Just used to it.

Good to get a view from Australia, nanna8

As I said earlier, Australia is not the liberal country so many think it is.

I wonder what some on here would think if they were threatened with arrest by a police officer with a gun for taking off their mask to drink a cup of tea?

All I can say is if it was my child in hospital and I knew I'd have to be vaccinated before i could be with them I would be at the front of that vaccination queue with my sleeve rolled up. There is no way I would put my child through that just to satisfy my own prejudice.

I think they mean not allowing the parents in the hospital

WA is different. We all know it. A race apart. Sooner or later Corona virus will spread there, just as it did here in Victoria despite our ridiculously harsh measures. Who would have helicopters flying overhead to check if anyone was breaking curfew? We did. Who would be refused entry to a shop or cafe without a vaccination certificate? We did/do. Mind you, a happy medium would be good and I would hate to be under the English jurisdiction of no rules at all.
Don't forget, many in Australia have a threat of deportation hanging over them and that is one of the reason for compliance. Just used to it.

I’m unsympathetic towards vaccine refuseniks whoever they are around.

I’m pleased your baby didn’t suffer TB as a result of being in contact with doctor who developed TB Doodledog. I had two of my three newborns in NICU when they were born, and in both cases they were very ill. Mine weren’t in contact with a medic who had TB, but I totally understand why you felt as you do because I would have felt exactly the same.

With regard to the situation in Australia I think that parents need to be tested regularly and wear full PPE if they are unvaccinated and wish to visit their sick child in hospital. I would only allow visits because of the benefit to the child. I don’t care anything for the parents who have made the selfish choice to be unvaccinated.

*BTW to the poster who put about a doctor lying about the TB vaccine. The vaccine for TB is only around 60% effective against catching TB.
Also our flu vaccine is only around 40% effective against flu infection. Told to me by my GP.*

That would be me, but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to say to that.

'Oh well, in that case it's fine - what's the point in trying to protect vulnerable babies if there is a 40% chance that an unvaccinated person who then came into contact with TB wouldn't be able to shake it off?

or 'If the doctor had had the jab and then come into contact with TB there is a 60% chance that it would have been effective (possibly more, as it was a SHO who was young and fit) and the babies would not have been put at risk'?

In any case, my point was simply that having gone through a nightmare situation because of an unvaccinated person potentially infecting my newborn I am unsympathetic to vaccine refuseniks, particularly when they are around children or other vulnerable people.

I don't think some posters realise that child patients and their parents may have travelled hundreds of miles, and perhaps been flown in - it's not a case of living reasonably near the hospital as in the UK.
Most children's rooms will have an adult bed in them for a parent or carer.
Children will not be in large multi-bed wards. They will be on their own, even more reason to have a parent or carer with them and that person will not come anywhere near other child patients.

This is dreadful as children live with parents so should be able to stay in hospital with them. LFT before entering should be enough.
As vaccinated and unvaccinated can both catch and transmit covid LFT should be for both groups.
BTW to the poster who put about a doctor lying about the TB vaccine. The vaccine for TB is only around 60% effective against catching TB.
Also our flu vaccine is only around 40% effective against flu infection. Told to me by my GP.

50ShadesofGreyMatter

To those of you stating kids are being vaccinated without parental consent can you please provide the evidence for this.

Not on social media, no.
But I know it for a fact.

To those of you stating kids are being vaccinated without parental consent can you please provide the evidence for this.

Yes!

I find it hard to believe that said doctor did not have to prove their vaccination status on appointment. Unfortunately vaccines are not infallible.

Who are you not believing? Me, the health visitor who came with the news, or the staff at the hospital who did the various tests on the babies and were very apologetic throughout?

Thisismyname1953

I think that there is a chance that Australia may have been too careful. Having all the borders closed has prevented a lot of people getting it and a lot of deaths , but might it have prevented the virus mutating and becoming much milder as the omicron variety has here and elsewhere ? When they open the borders covid might run riot despite vaccines .

When they opened the borders between NSW and Queensland for Christmas and NY for those who had been vaccinated, cases rose in Queensland

11th December 2021:
Queensland has reopened its road borders to all interstate travellers now the state has passed its 80 per cent COVID-19 double vaccination milestone.
The biggest change to Queensland's rules is opening up to fully vaccinated travellers from interstate hotspots, with no requirement to quarantine for 14 days regardless of whether they arrive by air or by road.

But before being allowed to enter Queensland, they must provide a negative COVID-19 laboratory test result received within the previous 72 hours.

Despite that, cases rose in Queensland and continue to rise.

Perth is the most remote city in the world though Suzan05, so being able to live a relatively normal life for the last two years has been great for the population. Of course they now want to get back to a normal life, but don’t we all! I don’t know about the hospital provision in Perth itself, my sister works at Joondalup north of Perth, which is a very large hospital, I think it has over 700 beds.

I think that there is a chance that Australia may have been too careful. Having all the borders closed has prevented a lot of people getting it and a lot of deaths , but might it have prevented the virus mutating and becoming much milder as the omicron variety has here and elsewhere ? When they open the borders covid might run riot despite vaccines .

My brother lives in WA and says he has to wear a mask almost everywhere plus have a covid passport to go out to eat. I do not agree with children not having their parents with them. Very dictatorial in my view.

My daughter lives in WA, they live two and a half to three hours out of Perth. They only have a small hospital within reach and that only deals with minor problems, staffed by nurses and the local doctor. Zoom meetings are needed if a more specialised doctor's help is needed or it's a trip to Perth. They also have the Flying Doctor and /or a helicopter. Both based in Perth.
One of the main worries is that if lots of people catch covid the main hospital is in Perth and it wouldn't cope with massive numbers.
They are fully vaccinated but she knows of mums that are breastfeeding who won't have the jab and others saying that they want to see what the vaccine does to people in a few years time before having it. Her daughter is in nursery with little ones who have unvaccinated parents. There is only one nursery in the town and my daughter works three days a week.
The thought of scared, ill children in hospital, some too young to understand breaks our hearts but we can see the other side too.
They have been so strict there......still waiting to meet our 20 month old granddaughter.

Casdon

Through the whole pandemic there have been 9 deaths from Covid in the whole of Western Australia. People have maintained their freedoms throughout apart from a couple of snap lockdowns. They are doing something right.

Freedoms? Yes, inside WA. But you can't currently travel to there from other states. Many families are split because of this. They have been so very strict. Yes, low numbers of infection and deaths, which is great, but at what cost? My great friend in Fremantle is wondering when it will ever feel normal again.

4allweknow

Surely children receiving vaccines in school prior to Covid must be a known in Australia. Probably part and parcel of being allowed entry to schooling.

Not in private schools I believe.

They do vaccinate more than in the UK, eg the chickenpox vaccination is on the list, Hep B for newborn babies then at ages 2 months, 4 months and 6 months.
Pregnant mothers are given a course of antibiotics prior to giving birth.
Two month old babies are given flu, rotavirus, pneumonia, tetanus vaccines as well as the ones we would give in the UK.

and so on so by the time a baby is 18 months old it will have received 36 vaccinations of various types.

Well said, Purplepoppies

I tested today because I was going to meet with other people, some of whom are quite elderly and it was a requirement, even though I have been triple vaccinated.
We all wore masks too, although I notice that people took them off to speak as I did (not just to chat).

Given how many people in the UK have contracted covid despite being vaccinated (myself included) surely it would make more sense that ANY person visiting ANYONE should have a negative covid test regardless of whether they are vaccinated?
It doesn't stop you getting covid or being asymptomatic.
It seems bonkers to me.

I don't believe that the state should intervene to that degree.

Making vaccinations compulsory is not the way to go IMO.

Where does it end?