Covid and Brain Shrinkage?

Naneee - sorry that you have suffered for so long. Glad that you have found some support. The Guardian carries a report about the current rise in cases, especially in the over 50s. Waning immunity, increased socialisation playing their part. It's not gone and it's not nothing for a lot of people.

I know all about the Evils of Big Pharma eugenia. Seeing as you're such a whizz with a mouse I'm surprised you haven't come across Dr. Mark Hyman and his Doctor's Farmacy podcasts. Particularly his work with Dr. Daniel Amen, a psychiatrist who, unlike your good self, has studied thousands of brain scans - thanks to the marvels of modern technology it is now possible to examine the brain as the physical organ that it is so why wouldn't you? - so he would seem to be pretty much the go-to-guy for brain related issues. Or maybe I'm wrong and you are a highly qualified brain tech able to speak with complete authority on these matters? Either/or, if you can manage to navigate your way round spotify you may find much to inform you and perhaps give your definitive statements more weight.

Scroll down and on the right side comes a section stating Month-end 10 largest holdings. Heres a copy paste of the list....Pfizer is # 2 on the top 10.

1UnitedHealth Group Inc.
2Pfizer Inc.
3AstraZeneca plc
4Eli Lilly & Co.
5Bristol-Myers Squibb Co.
6Novartis AG
7Anthem Inc.
8Boston Scientific Corp.
9Stryker Corp.
10Thermo Fisher Scientific Inc.

Sorry the post cut off the entire beginning.
investor.vanguard.com/mutual-funds/profile/VGHCX

"Tax dollars? Clue number 3.......please tell me you do know how the "free" vaccines are paid for. And Jesus, don't you ladies know how to google? You found a rant on a site called American Faith? That's it. I went straight to Vangards own site and clicked under "Health Care" and Pfizer, among others, were in the top 10 holdings.

GEEEEZZ no wonder everyone here just believes anything on CNN. Can't even google past usually headline stuff. I sure hope you all know if you click on this link and it doesn't work, copy paste it in the address bar.

investor.vanguard.com/mutualfunds/profile/VGHCX

It's horrible Daisymae. I believe I was infected in March 2020 but there was no testing at all at that point in time. I struggled on, almost afraid to say I was suffering because there was so much disbelief, so many assumptions that it's psychosomatic and not real, so much so that, terrible as this is to admit, I was actually glad when I developed a very bad case of shingles as it was visible, physical proof that something was indeed not right internally and that I wasn't going mad. The fatigue, neuralgia and, especially, the brain changes I've experienced in the past two years are so frightening. I'm a member of an online long covid support group -which has been amazing as there is no help whatsoever from the overstretched NHS - and the fact that it is now being believed and recognised as a 'thing' is such a relief.

Well! That raised a few hackles.... I raised it as issue because it seemed like valid research and in general people are so blasé about symptoms being cold like which may not be the end of the story. There's a lot we don't know about this awful disease.

I suppose some sort of brain damage would explain long covid?

I hope they can find an answer to this because I know a few people whose lives have been devastated by long covid.

I hope to f**k that your bet against long term brain damage is true eugenia because it means the long covid neuralogical problems that I am suffering NOW won't be forever.

This is getting boring now although thanks to volver for the googling. It's a bit like being doorstepped by Jehovah's Witnesses, isn't it?

It's nothing more than that. But go ahead believe the media, ...

I don't think that's what people have said they are doing. It's rather more a case of believing and questioning the scientists. It's more credible to look to professionals in the relevant field than professional conspiracy theorists.

Oh FFS.

The state of the world and we have people who still believe in these conspiracy theories.

Tax dollars? Clue number 3.

Also, I'm well known as an inveterate googler on this site...so I did what you suggest and googled Vanguard. Found a rant from a site called American Faith, run by a Biblical Prophecy Expert. Say no more.

(Apologies to any truly religious people here, my comments are in no way aimed at you)

Well, then according to you all, money don't make the world go round......of wait, but it does and it's just gotten worse over history. Suffice to say if people think billions of dollars do not effect anything, well it must be nice to live in that world.

"How come people are still so keen to blame anything but the virus for long term damage that pretty clearly is the result of infection?".......ok, now you have a point, not about blame but about viruses causing damage.

All viruses can cause damage to organs, so much so that you can also die. My father in law died from an infection he got that started with a regular flu because it traveled to his organs. This was back in the 90's.

So while yes, it can happen, it is still rare and Covid is not so unusual in that sense. Again, fear mongering by making people think this virus is not like any others...but it is. It's a severe respiratory virus with the same symptoms of other severe respiratory viruses. All of the severe ones have had their day.....epidemic, pandemic...yet they mostly faded due to natural immunity since many of them, including the big one in 1918, did not develop vaccines at the time.

It's nothing more than that. But go ahead believe the media, which is owned largely by investment corporations like Vanguard who also own large amounts of Pfizer stocks. I suppose that's a conspiracy theory too but just google Vanguard, look up their holdings and you'll see.

Don't get me started on Pfizer either, suffice to say just google Pfizer and lawsuits. But yeah, they don't want to dip into our tax dollars, they only want to ease our lives. lalalalala.

Going back to the original post, I'm gonna bet Covid does not cause long term brain damage. Mainly because it's theoretical science right now. Plus long term would mean years and years; a couple of months after Covid is not long term, and one study concludes nothing but more questions.

volver

Just an observation...

Does anyone think that references to the CDC and "pocket books" give us a bit of a clue to the origin of Eugenia's theories?

Mmm. I did wonder.

Eugenia:

'Don't fall for it.' ???

It's sad to see that you've been influenced by the daft conspiracy theories - and 'fallen for' them.

luluaugust

Daisymae I would say it is a very contrary illness, one person has no problems another is unable to function properly for a long time, I assume brain shrinkage is just one more possible side effect. How do they know it is not caused by the injections?

How do they know it is not caused by the injections?

Probably because some of the participants in the Bio-Bank research had covid before the vaccine was developed and used.

I was reading about research into the effect of covid19 on the body way back in the spring of 2020. It can attack internal organs, any of them, completely indiscriminately.

How come people are still so keen to blame anything but the virus for long term damage that pretty clearly is the result of infection?

volver

Just an observation...

Does anyone think that references to the CDC and "pocket books" give us a bit of a clue to the origin of Eugenia's theories?

Absolutely, volver. I came to that conclusion earlier this morning...

Just an observation...

Does anyone think that references to the CDC and "pocket books" give us a bit of a clue to the origin of Eugenia's theories?

I have no access but many, many people within the system say the data is not honest. Eugenia Wed 09-Mar-22 10:09:25

Exactly who says the data is not honest and what are their qualifications in this field? You cannot expect others to believe this is anything but your imagination if you don't offer facts. You are just posting what may well be false and misleading information.

Reading your posts you show no competence in this field so you are simply not convincing me. This appears to be fake news rather than information coming from a reliable source.

Daisymae I would say it is a very contrary illness, one person has no problems another is unable to function properly for a long time, I assume brain shrinkage is just one more possible side effect. How do they know it is not caused by the injections?

Here's a link to the programme if anyone is interested.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0bt67hm

I saw the documentary about the brain trials too MaizieD, absolutely awful. I do hope the people who have lost capacity recover.

I found the research interesting. I didn’t find Eugenia’s epistles remotely interesting.

I have no access but many, many people within the system say the data is not honest.

But data isn't just corruptible, it can be misinterpreted. Anyone notice the CDC has sectioned death rates off and made a distinction of deaths from Covid vs. deaths that had other sources but the person was positive for Covid?

At least there is some honesty there and the percentage is very low of people who deaths were a direct result of Covid compared to the overall deaths.

Again, I am not saying Covid isn't a problem. But it's questionable the motives of forcing people to vaccinate over a small percentage of people. It's 99 percent survivable, those are pretty good odds, unlike polio and smallpox.

We have no idea what 5, 10 years of these new vaccinations will do to the immune system, especially in babies and young children who are just developing.

It's genetic material, it's been around but never been used like this before; it's not based on the tried and true science of dead virus type vaccines we have had forever, so if you want to take the chance it will be safe to inject for years to come, go for it. But enabling the government to make us take the chance or we lose jobs, homes, freedoms.

But brain damage??? They just can't know that already. Where is the studies that prove it? Right now it's speculation. It may always be...the brain is one of those things with a lot of mystery. Right now I'd like to see a study showing the so called brain damage/shrinkage, really but there are none.

Back to the OP. Covid can produce brain shrink as the scans show from Bio-Bank. This is a longitudinal study and has now been going for at least 15 years. The participants are all volunteers from the 50+ age group and I was just one of the control group not having had Covid.

The positive side is as others have said. The brain can be retrained and new pathways formed. Currently smell clinics are helping some to redevelop their sense of smell (BBC Tuesday evening).

Covid has promoted a huge amount of research. Knowledge may help not only those post Covid sufferers but others with similar conditions from post infection symptoms.

It’s been a truly awful time for many, including DH but hopefully it will help society handle future pandemics more successfully.

As for data and statistics. It can always be manipulated depending on what basis calculations are made. Algorithms are now used to work up the data.

I’d just like to travel back to the late 1980s when unemployment was shrinking. This was achieved by trained staff including myself to move people from the unemployment figures by encouraging them to move to sickness benefit, training and even work! They would then no longer be unemployed. The over 60s at the time were put onto pension credit instead of having to declare unemployment and those in receipt of an unemployment NI credit we’re also be removed from the count! Yippee! There were fewer unemployed people.

Data is corruptible.

So, it appears, is people's level of critical thinking. It is not enough just to shout that "data can be corrupted". Show us the data and tell us where you can see corruption within it.

The person who shouts the odds but does not back it with facts tells us nothing but where their prejudice lies.