Excess deaths Pandemic legacy

Here there is a huge shortage of GPS, particularly in country areas. They are not well supported and new medical graduates do not want to fulfil that role. I asked my grandson, who is about to complete his medical training and his response was, ‘no way’. They need to train more people but to get into medical school at the moment you have to have almost perfect exam scores and many get rejected.

Which experts?

No, the deaths were almost certainly the result of damage caused to the body by Covid after the 28 day cut off. Covid causes systemic damage, which can take time to develop. They would not have been recorded as Covid because they weren't caused by direct infection, but the damage that Covid does.

Have you read the NHS analysis?

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Normandygirl

The lockdown was wrong in principle and wrong in execution. No amount of money for the NHS changes the fact that access to medical diagnosis and treatment were cut off for thousands. It was stated many times by many experts that the lockdowns were going to create more deaths than the virus. No one wanted to listen. Too late now.

No, that wasn't the cause of the excess deaths. Covid was.

No, the excess deaths in question are Non Covid.
The impact from lockdowns is now killing more people than the virus. Experts believe that higher deaths from heart disease and diabetes plus the inevitable economic damage, mean the indirect effects of the lockdowns will be far greater than Covid itself.
Where was the risk/benefit analysis?

All those things biglouis probably contributed to mental health problems too, as people realised that there was no competent leadership and that greed was being prioritised over the good of the UK population.

Normandygirl

The lockdown was wrong in principle and wrong in execution. No amount of money for the NHS changes the fact that access to medical diagnosis and treatment were cut off for thousands. It was stated many times by many experts that the lockdowns were going to create more deaths than the virus. No one wanted to listen. Too late now.

No, that wasn't the cause of the excess deaths. Covid was.

Normandygirl

The lockdown was wrong in principle and wrong in execution. No amount of money for the NHS changes the fact that access to medical diagnosis and treatment were cut off for thousands. It was stated many times by many experts that the lockdowns were going to create more deaths than the virus. No one wanted to listen. Too late now.

I don't believe the lockdown was wrong. There was very little alternative because transmission was causing so much disruption to essential services.

Luckygirl3

This government has no interest in repairing the NHS, nor in embracing the principle of prevention.

The system is b*****ed - they do not care.

All those operations and treatable illnesses that were submerged by the pandemic are coming home to roost. The NHS was already on its knees and not getting on top of pandemic planning in the past pushed it further into the mire.

I read the article too.

The excess deaths were mainly coronary or diabetes. The article said that there was a spike in heart conditions a month or so after people had Covid, which is corroborated by other sources. It's also known that Covid is dangerous for diabetics and the effects last for months after Covid has gone.

The conclusion seemed to be that much more research is needed on the long-term effects of Covid. It's not just a respiratory disease, but causes damage to a number of different organs.

The article isn't just about other conditions which couldn't be treated during the pandemic, but about the damage caused by Covid itself.

There needs to be another (and perhaps parallel) enquiry about all the fraud and corruption generated as a result of the pandemic and government policies:

Individuals handing out contracts to their mates for supplies which turned out to be substandard

The money wasted on the failed "track and trace" system

Fraud generated as a result of the furlough scheme because there were not enough checks

Fraud generated by the government gauranteed loans to "fake" companies because there were not enough checks.

To what extend has all this contributed to the current economic situation?

Normandygirl

The lockdown was wrong in principle and wrong in execution. No amount of money for the NHS changes the fact that access to medical diagnosis and treatment were cut off for thousands. It was stated many times by many experts that the lockdowns were going to create more deaths than the virus. No one wanted to listen. Too late now.

That is a massive over simplification of the realities facing the NHS throughout the pandemic. Protection of the patients already undergoing treatment had to be the priority. Clinicians knew what the consequences of diagnostic delays would be, but also understood also the consequences of not restricting activity.

Lockdown was not wrong - the fact that the government had not engaged in proper pandemic planning is what was wrong - lockdown was inevitable.

Normandygirl

The lockdown was wrong in principle and wrong in execution. No amount of money for the NHS changes the fact that access to medical diagnosis and treatment were cut off for thousands. It was stated many times by many experts that the lockdowns were going to create more deaths than the virus. No one wanted to listen. Too late now.

But without lockdowns the NHS would have been overwhelmed and people wouldn’t have been treated anyway.

The lockdown was wrong in principle and wrong in execution. No amount of money for the NHS changes the fact that access to medical diagnosis and treatment were cut off for thousands. It was stated many times by many experts that the lockdowns were going to create more deaths than the virus. No one wanted to listen. Too late now.

This government has no interest in repairing the NHS, nor in embracing the principle of prevention.

The system is b*****ed - they do not care.

All those operations and treatable illnesses that were submerged by the pandemic are coming home to roost. The NHS was already on its knees and not getting on top of pandemic planning in the past pushed it further into the mire.

Blossoming

You can read it without the paywall here:-

12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2F2022%2F10%2F29%2Fdisastrous-legacy-left-lockdown-non-covid-excess-deaths-overtake%2F

Thanks for that. I managed to read the article avoiding the paywall so assumed that others could too.

You can read it without the paywall here:-

12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2F2022%2F10%2F29%2Fdisastrous-legacy-left-lockdown-non-covid-excess-deaths-overtake%2F

i clicked on the link to read this article but i would need to join up for a free trial of the telegraph, you may not get much response if people can't read it.

ukandeu.ac.uk/why-have-there-been-excess-deaths-this-summer/

Maybe a similar article?

Sounds interesting, but it’s behind a pay wall…..

The NHS is overloaded and underfunded. The current government is not interested in ‘fixing’ it.