Covid vaccine harm?

I won’t be having any more vaccines. Since my Booster, I have a blockage of my ears , GP confirmed infection, 5 day course of antibiotics and my ears are still blocked. Can’t remember ever having an ear infection before this. I don’t think I’ll go for a flu jab either 😫

Bridgen is not a doctor. Don't listen to anti-vax twaddle. Read the facts on Full Facts.

Here is what happened, and this is a quote from the above link:

Throughout 2021, Biden acted as the vaccines' principle cheerleader, urging all eligible Americans to get vaccinated at their earliest opportunity. Although his numerous public statements about the vaccines tended to be, for the most part, reasonably accurate and cogent in terms of reflecting the guidance of the medical community, on at least one occasion Biden grossly overstated the vaccines' efficacy. This occasion is then described:

Biden's impromptu claims about the efficacy of the vaccines were therefore inaccurate, nor did he acknowledge or correct his mistake. He did, however, more accurately state at another point in the same appearance that "If you're vaccinated, even if you do 'catch the virus,' quote, unquote, like people talk about it in normal terms, you're -- not many people do. If you do, you're not likely to get sick. You're probably going to be symptomless. You're not going to be in a position where your life is in danger.

Context is all, and if in a history of getting it right and saying the vaccination is not a 'cure-all', probably 100's of times. Biden once gets it wrong and remember he is a man prone to verbal gaffes, you really need to be very prejudiced or very gullable to believe this one gaffe represents anything but what it is - a gaffe - As someone also prone to getting words and ideas garbled at times, he has my sympathy.

@DaisyAnne
A similar statement is fact checked as correct by Snopes.
www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-if-vaccinated-wont-get-covid/

Daisymae

Normandygirl

For all the posters claiming that the vaccine has saved million of lives, how do you know that as scientifically proven fact? There are so many factors to take into account, it would be impossible to prove one way or another. It is certainly not a " scientifically proven fact"
These statements come from the very same people that also insisted that the vaccine was 100% safe and effective. They insisted that if you got the vaccine you would not get Covid and you would not pass it on to granny. We now know these statements, even if said in good faith, were false.
I am vaccinated but not blinkered to the possibility that the risk/benefit of an unlicensed product may have done more harm than good, especially to the younger generation who were not at risk from the virus anyway. I also have to acknowledge that long term damage/benefit is still an unknown for obvious reasons.
I would never call anyone ignorant for their views around the vaccine because at the moment, as there is a lack of cohesive, world, peer reviewed data, we are all ignorant and will be for years to come.

You raise some excellent points. I think that we have participated in the world's biggest scientific experiment. Time will tell if the gamble has paid off.

They are surely only excellent points if you believe in some sort of conspiracy theories.

It seems you both believed people have conspired to mislead us and that, for some strange reason, we became governed by the USA during the pandemic.

I still can't find that quote.

Normandygirl

Joe Biden July 2021

" you will not get Covid if you have these vaccinations, you will not be hospitalised and you will not die. You will not pass it on to your loved ones and family"

Truth or lie?

Can you give a reference (link or publication) to this quote. It is not coming up in Google as said by Joe Biden or anyone else but that could be me.

^ I think that we have participated in the world's biggest scientific experiment. Time will tell if the gamble has paid off.^.

There was nothing exceptional about this vaccine so essentially this sentence should be used to describe every vaccination that has been introduced since the first vaccination against smallpox. This was probably developed in the 16th or 17th century when it was practiced in Africa, India, and China long before it was introduced to Europe Edward Jenner first vaccinated people against small pox in 1717.

Since then vaccinations for hundreds of diseases have been introduced. Small pox has been eliminated and polio is only found in a few places in the world.

The COVID vaccine is one among so many that the scientific experiment, as we know it, started in 1717 and has now been running for over 300 years. One disease eliminated, one nearly eliminate, the childhood diseases that barely exist now, that before vaccination brought death and disability in their train less than 70 years ago. families where over 12 generations or more have been vaccinate without any side effects.

Personally, I think the world's biggest scientific experiment, vaccinations to save lives and reduce disability, has been a resounding success. How much longer should we wait to prove it?

PS. Younger people weren't "at no risk". Some of them died before vaccinations.

I haven't had any side effects (except a slightly sore arm after my fourth jab), but I don't doubt that others have had side effects. I don't doubt that a handful of people have had very bad side effects (including death), but that needs to be put in the context of the millions of people who have been vaccinated.

I was really ill after having the Moderna booster for a good fortnight afterwards including severe chest pain. It was shortly before Christmas 2021 when I was the last person they wanted in A&E. 3 months later I did get a very mild Covid infection. I do get cross with people who assume because they haven’t had bad side effects they don’t exist. I did not have a 4th vaccine. This year I have had the pneumococcal and flu vaccines with no side effects.

Normandygirl

For all the posters claiming that the vaccine has saved million of lives, how do you know that as scientifically proven fact? There are so many factors to take into account, it would be impossible to prove one way or another. It is certainly not a " scientifically proven fact"
These statements come from the very same people that also insisted that the vaccine was 100% safe and effective. They insisted that if you got the vaccine you would not get Covid and you would not pass it on to granny. We now know these statements, even if said in good faith, were false.
I am vaccinated but not blinkered to the possibility that the risk/benefit of an unlicensed product may have done more harm than good, especially to the younger generation who were not at risk from the virus anyway. I also have to acknowledge that long term damage/benefit is still an unknown for obvious reasons.
I would never call anyone ignorant for their views around the vaccine because at the moment, as there is a lack of cohesive, world, peer reviewed data, we are all ignorant and will be for years to come.

You raise some excellent points. I think that we have participated in the world's biggest scientific experiment. Time will tell if the gamble has paid off.

Normandygirl

Joe Biden July 2021

" you will not get Covid if you have these vaccinations, you will not be hospitalised and you will not die. You will not pass it on to your loved ones and family"

Truth or lie?

I can honestly say that I have taken absolutely no notice of anything Biden (or any US president) claimed about vaccines. I didn't even know he said that.

Biden's statements above clearly contradict the conclusions of medical authorities such as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), which has stated that while vaccines greatly reduce the risk of contracting COVID-19, and reduce the likelihood that those who do become ill will experience severe symptoms and be hospitalized, no vaccines are 100% effective

There are people in the world who don't listen to the President of the USA for medical advice.

The world's not a black and white as you think it is; people have to be able to interpret what people say in context and appreciate that sometimes people say things that turn out not to be true. And not hold on to it for 18 months because they think the world is lying to them and it's all a big plot.

Trump said we should drink disinfectant. Did you believe him too?

Joe Biden July 2021

" you will not get Covid if you have these vaccinations, you will not be hospitalised and you will not die. You will not pass it on to your loved ones and family"

Truth or lie?

Deedaa

I am surprised there was any delay in treating your SiL's blood clots sago When I was hospitalised in the spring there was no delay at all and every care was taken of me. I wondered about the vaccine but according to my research the one I had showed a negligible risk of clots and I've had a similar one since with no ill effects.

There wasn’t a delay initially as it was acute.
He needed scans to follow up, they were being postponed so he ended up going privately.

I am surprised there was any delay in treating your SiL's blood clots sago When I was hospitalised in the spring there was no delay at all and every care was taken of me. I wondered about the vaccine but according to my research the one I had showed a negligible risk of clots and I've had a similar one since with no ill effects.

GrannyRose15

I think you know exactly what I am talking about.

No, I don't. That's why I asked.

Not worth engaging growstuff.

I think you know exactly what I am talking about.

Which lies specifically GrannyRose15?

"I do have a problem with ignorant people who somehow decide that they 'know better' than the accepted medical advice. Based on what exactly?"

This is one of the big problems that has been exposed over the last three years. If you know you have been lied to you tend to disbelieve everything you are told, not just the lies.

And we were lied to. By government, by newspapers, by some doctors and by some scientists, and most especially by those in the "nudge unit" who wanted to manipulate our behaviour.

Distinguishing truth from lies in such circumstances is very difficult. We have lost trust in those that we should be able to trust. We suspect that some people do not have our best interests at heart.

It's going to take a long time to restore the trust we once had.

Normandygirl

For all the posters claiming that the vaccine has saved million of lives, how do you know that as scientifically proven fact? There are so many factors to take into account, it would be impossible to prove one way or another. It is certainly not a " scientifically proven fact"
These statements come from the very same people that also insisted that the vaccine was 100% safe and effective. They insisted that if you got the vaccine you would not get Covid and you would not pass it on to granny. We now know these statements, even if said in good faith, were false.
I am vaccinated but not blinkered to the possibility that the risk/benefit of an unlicensed product may have done more harm than good, especially to the younger generation who were not at risk from the virus anyway. I also have to acknowledge that long term damage/benefit is still an unknown for obvious reasons.
I would never call anyone ignorant for their views around the vaccine because at the moment, as there is a lack of cohesive, world, peer reviewed data, we are all ignorant and will be for years to come.

Are you a vaccine scientist Normandygirl? If not what do your views matter? The vaccine was peer reviewed by equally capable scientists. Because they are scientists I feel quite sure none of them every said the vaccine was "100% safe and effective". I certainly didn't hear that, far from it.

However, you may have seen something or read something you could quote that was said.

As for ignorant. Those who think they are entitled to their own unfounded truths are certainly lacking in knowledge - isn't that what ignorance is?

Callistemon21

Sago
I'm sorry to hear about your SIL, Sago and hope he recovers well.
The two fit people I know had different symptoms (paralysis) and this and your SIL's symptoms are known and have been documented.

They are rare, however, and we have to make our own risk assessments when making a decision.

Thank you, he was told the blood clots were a reaction to the vaccine.
The sepsis they believe was due to a suppressed immune system after the blood clots and relevant treatment.
He is now well and able to fly again although he is still taking anti clotting meds.

Sago
I'm sorry to hear about your SIL, Sago and hope he recovers well.
The two fit people I know had different symptoms (paralysis) and this and your SIL's symptoms are known and have been documented.

They are rare, however, and we have to make our own risk assessments when making a decision.

Sago I fully understand your distress at your SiL's medical problem, but you do not say whether it has been shown conclusively that your DSiL's illness was caused by the vaccination or what the link between the two is. Still less, the link with sepsis.

Many of us have had friends and family who died from the virus or remain still seriously ill and unable to work several years after catching it before the vaccination was available.

There may be genetic reasons why your family are particularly susceptible to rare reactions to vaccines, but presumably most if not all had all their childhood vaccinations without extreme reactions.

It does not follow that because two things happen at much the same time there is automatically a link between the two.