4th Covid Vaccine Refusal?

Like many other GNs here I've had all my vaccines & will continue to do so. DH is same, and all family members.

I've had my 4th Covid-19 jab 2nd booster that is and the flu jab for the 3rd time. I'm taking anything I'm offered vaccination wise.

Not had a vaccination in my life even as a kid and never will, rarely at docs, I’ve even gone 12 years between one prescription to the next, I believe in my own immune system looking after me. Not saying people shouldn’t either, each to their own choice.

I have had two vaccines and two boosters. If I had known what I know now I would not have had any. Watch Dr John Campbell on YouTube and watch the YouTube of the MP presenting his paper in Parliament about evidence of Vaccines Side effects. It is alarming to say the least.

I have had all my vaccines Inc flu. The NHS is already on its knees and although my contribution is small I feel by doing this I am helping. There are not enough beds in hospitals as it is. By having the vaccines when offered, and continuing to be sensible I have managed to avoid COVID. Obviously personal choice but I don’t understand why you wouldn’t.

will have every injection available if it protects me and my family , Covid is not going away

will take every covid and flu vaccine offered

Yes all 4. Last one on same day as flu vaccine. Take it while you can.

No. Will be having it

Normandygirl I wonder if the figures actually mean that

No vaccines, we were in lockdown and many many people had Covid.

After the Vaccines were introduced more people were out and about so caught Covid, by the time most people had had 3 vaccines things were more normal,
masks had been left at home,
people were more relaxed about the chances of catching Covid we now see more people again with Covid. But deaths are down.
I think you can skew the facts and come up with ‘More Vaccines mean more cases of Covid’

Normandygirl

The new study on the bivalent vaccines from Cleveland Ohio done on 50,000 participants is quite startling to say the least.
The results are, that the more vaccines you have had, the higher your chance of getting Covid.
1 dose = 1.7 times more likely to test positive for Covid
2 doses = 2.63 times more likely to test positive for Covid
3 doses = 3.1 times more likely to test positive for Covid
More than 3 doses = 3.8 times more likely to test positive for Covid

The multivariable analyses also found that, the more recent the last prior COVID-19 episode was the lower the risk of COVID-19, and that the greater the number of vaccine doses previously received the higher the risk of COVID-19.

Did they allow fot the fact that possibly those who were keen to get the vaccines were more likely to test more often as they were more aware of the risks of covid and wanted to avoid them? Just a thought. Prepared to be shot down.

growstuff

Sorry Normandygirl. I Googled Cleveland Ohio Covid study, but couldn't find the original article. Please could you post a direct link.

This is what I found growstuff.

Not peer reviewed, a preprint.

yournews.com/2022/12/22/2478345/study-mrna-vaccines-increase-risk-of-contracting-covid-19-each-booster/

Also want to add for those who like the statistics.

I did not get my vaccines because I wanted to be out in the world. Lock down was great for me because I am an introvert and homebody.

I have never had Covid (that I know of). My DD caught it, she only had 2 of the jabs. The rest of us in the house with 3 jabs did not get it despite her being in the same house while she was contagious.

I have decided not to get my 4th after talking with my doctor. I ended up with psoriasis (not caused by the vaccine). We do not want to send my immune system out of control just to have a shot that was made specifically for a previous strain. If it was updated for current strains, I would take the risk and get it.

I also am not opposed to wearing masks to protect myself and others.

Sorry Normandygirl. I Googled Cleveland Ohio Covid study, but couldn't find the original article. Please could you post a direct link.

I was just thinking that maybe those having more vaccines were more likely to get Covid anyway because the reasons they were keen to have the vaccines was because they were mixing with many people and just generally more at risk because of their lifestyles. Just a thought but I also wonder whether the Cleveland researchers had considered this as a factor. What was the quote again about lies,damned lies and statistics ?

volver

Normandygirl

The new study on the bivalent vaccines from Cleveland Ohio done on 50,000 participants is quite startling to say the least.
The results are, that the more vaccines you have had, the higher your chance of getting Covid.
1 dose = 1.7 times more likely to test positive for Covid
2 doses = 2.63 times more likely to test positive for Covid
3 doses = 3.1 times more likely to test positive for Covid
More than 3 doses = 3.8 times more likely to test positive for Covid

The multivariable analyses also found that, the more recent the last prior COVID-19 episode was the lower the risk of COVID-19, and that the greater the number of vaccine doses previously received the higher the risk of COVID-19.

This is why everyone should do more maths.

It takes time to get more vaccine doses. The comparison does not seem to be at the same point in time; so in moving from say 2 doses to 3 doses, a significant amount of time goes by and so you are more likely to be exposed to Covid again.

Probably. With no commentary on the graph and how it was created, it's difficult to draw proper conclusions.

2/10. Must try harder.

Link to the paper?

I thought the link was the whole paper but it seems only the graph appeared, It's a large pdf file but just google Cleveland Ohio study. My post was just giving the conclusion of the study.
The study was over 3 months and was comparing vaccinated against unvaccinated, so time between doses has no bearing on the conclusions
I don't advocate either for or against the vaccine as I think everyone should look at all evidence, evaluate their own risk/benefit and make their own decision.

Normandygirl

The new study on the bivalent vaccines from Cleveland Ohio done on 50,000 participants is quite startling to say the least.
The results are, that the more vaccines you have had, the higher your chance of getting Covid.
1 dose = 1.7 times more likely to test positive for Covid
2 doses = 2.63 times more likely to test positive for Covid
3 doses = 3.1 times more likely to test positive for Covid
More than 3 doses = 3.8 times more likely to test positive for Covid

The multivariable analyses also found that, the more recent the last prior COVID-19 episode was the lower the risk of COVID-19, and that the greater the number of vaccine doses previously received the higher the risk of COVID-19.

This is why everyone should do more maths.

It takes time to get more vaccine doses. The comparison does not seem to be at the same point in time; so in moving from say 2 doses to 3 doses, a significant amount of time goes by and so you are more likely to be exposed to Covid again.

Probably. With no commentary on the graph and how it was created, it's difficult to draw proper conclusions.

2/10. Must try harder.

Link to the paper?

I’ve not had my fourth one because I was so ill after the 3rd and I’ve had covid twice

Nobody ever said the vaccine would stop us catching Covid, but that it mitigates the effects, reduces the impact on our system and effectively downgrading it in most cases to a manageable illness instead of a life threatening one.
That said, I do not follow the logic of this graph and from my own perspective have had all the jabs and boosters going but have not yet ever tested positive.

The new study on the bivalent vaccines from Cleveland Ohio done on 50,000 participants is quite startling to say the least.
The results are, that the more vaccines you have had, the higher your chance of getting Covid.
1 dose = 1.7 times more likely to test positive for Covid
2 doses = 2.63 times more likely to test positive for Covid
3 doses = 3.1 times more likely to test positive for Covid
More than 3 doses = 3.8 times more likely to test positive for Covid

The multivariable analyses also found that, the more recent the last prior COVID-19 episode was the lower the risk of COVID-19, and that the greater the number of vaccine doses previously received the higher the risk of COVID-19.

Having had blood cancer and therefore immunocompromised I’ve had 6 covid jabs plus the flu jab. No reaction except a sore arm for a few days. Also had the 2 doses of the non- live shingles jab that my gp surgery told me about. Hubby had to have it too as if he had the live one it could have put me at risk,he did have a really bad reaction to both jabs but he was prepared to put up with that to protect me - bless him.
Covid is still around so we keep to ourselves and mask up when out,just so grateful for all the vaccines and to our surgery for arranging for us to have them. Just wish the gvt would allow such as me to have the evusheld vaccine that is now available.

I have had five jabs but still went down with COVID just after Xmas.I caught it from my 16 year old grandson.I felt really rough and am still not 100%.It has left me with a cough and tiredness.Not good.
Barbarax

I don't understand why some people are refusing to have a 4th vaccine. Both my DH and I have had four. At the moment he's tested positive for Covid, but he's not too bad. I haven't got it though. Strange, isn't it?

I do think you should really think about having your vaccine.
It does reduce the seriousness of the virus should you catch it.
I understand some people can have some side effects but I would rather have a few days of being unwell than suffer from Covid.