4th Covid Vaccine Refusal?

There's so much misinterpretation of facts and jumping to conclusions when it comes to Covid, or any other infectious illness, I suppose. I hope you don't think I'm getting at you Elegran, that is not my intention. But..

The existence of sub variants of Omicron is not the same as there being "new variants of Covid".

50% of the population having 3 shots is not the same as a "largely unvaccinated population".

Somebody upthread said "Coughs and sneezes spread diseases". Well, in addition to that..."Careless talk costs lives"

OK, I can't now find the article I read that said there actually are new variants currently in China, (I didn't know in advance that I would be posting about it, or I'd have taken a note. If it appears soon, I will add a link) but a lot of experts are saying that China has not been sharing with other countries the genetic analysis of CoVid samples, and have cut down on sampling, so Chinese official figures may be a bit economical with the details. Also, the larger the numbers of infections, the more variants are likely to appear, and vaccination uptake does seem to be low in China.

Dated 21st December. "While many other nations vaccinated their populations in 2021 and boosted in 2022, rates of vaccination in China are comparatively low: only about 50% of the population have received three shots. China has only recently been encouraging the vaccination of the elderly and vulnerable.

The true extent of Covid-19 in China is now unknown, given the fall in testing. Other countries have learned the painful way that pretending Covid-19 doesn’t exist doesn’t mean the disease disappears. Experts following the situation estimate that 60% of the Chinese population (accounting for 10% of the world’s population) will be infected in the next 90 days. Given these infection levels and the population’s low immunity, deaths could rise to close to 9,000 a day by the end of March.

But like the true number of Covid cases, China’s official death toll isn’t reliable right now. The Chinese government isn’t reporting Covid-19 deaths: as crematoriums fill up, officials are staying quiet.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/dec/21/china-covid-surge-vaccination-data-infected

I simply do not understand non-acceptance of vaccination invitations.

DH and I have gratefully accepted every vaccination offered, at 81 and 77 respectively we are thankful for anything that keeps us out of hospital. Only the mildest of after-effects, more from the flu vaccine than the Covid one. We haven't had any colds or flu for years, but I did get a light dose of Strep A - at least I think it was, I'm prone to pharyngitis so it might have been that.

The dose of COVID dh and I both had just after last Christmas was extremely mild - nothing like the horrible bug I went down with at the end of October. Not quite as bad as proper flu, but not far off,

Before catching COVID we’d had, and have continued to have, every vaccine offered, inc. flu, and will have any more that are offered. I did have slight reactions to the first 2 COVID jabs, but nothing to make a fuss about.

The ONS infection surveillance, which is still in operation in the U.K. has been effective in tracking covid variants, and population levels of immunity after infection and vaccination. This should give early warning of variants of concern circulating, and also provide information which will be fed into vaccine development and update.

Thankfully the lockdown policy did work in U.K. prior to effective vaccines being developed, otherwise there would have been even more deaths.

I’m not sure there is enough shared data from China to know what went on there.

Did have the flu vaccination for the first time ever.
There seemed to be lots of odd viruses around this Autumn. I had flu before, several times in my 20s.
Didnt fancy flu this winter so had the jab.

Had none.
Got covid before it was even a certain thing. Then got long covid. Again, medical profession did not know how to deal with it. Had blood clot.

Not had a thing, including any vaccinations, since.

Well, as I have an autoimmune skin condition, I have had six jabs and DH has had five. The only jab which caused a reaction was number four, slept for two days! We've just had flu, despite both being jabbed, I think it would have been much worse if we hadn't had them. My stepdaughter is a consultant in intensive care in an East London hospital, the wards are full of flu and covid patients, a patient in their early thirties recently died from flu, its always been a killer for some unfortunate people.

Just roll the dice!

GagaJo

volver

Elegran

China is having a tremendous surge of CoVid cases, most of them are new variants, They chose to counter the original outbreak wiht masks and by isolating the population, both from other countries and from each other, and they didn't have an effective vaccine. Now that they have opened up internally and to the rest of the world, they are now where we were in 2020, with a largely unvaccinated population. Their new variants will reach us soon for sure - maybe here already - so when I am offered the latest vaccination, tailored to defend me against as many new versions as possible, I will be there like a shot.

most of them are new variants

Not sure that's true. Evidence?

with a largely unvaccinated population

Definitely not true.

Quite Volver. All of my China, based Chinese friends, are vaccinated. Think the Chinese vaccine is less successful than the Western ones, BUT everyone I know (and their families, including the very elderly) have had it.

Severe lockdown policies would seem not to have worked too well then.

Sorry, ziplock. I quoted the wrong post.

Ziplok

I will continue to have one when invited to, just like I do the flu vaccine. Seems a sensible precaution to me. (Obviously, I know some people can’t have one for various reasons, but that’s different). If you don’t have seriously adverse reactions, then I personally think it’s wise to have one.

Severe lockdown policies would seem not to have worked too well, then.

volver

Elegran

China is having a tremendous surge of CoVid cases, most of them are new variants, They chose to counter the original outbreak wiht masks and by isolating the population, both from other countries and from each other, and they didn't have an effective vaccine. Now that they have opened up internally and to the rest of the world, they are now where we were in 2020, with a largely unvaccinated population. Their new variants will reach us soon for sure - maybe here already - so when I am offered the latest vaccination, tailored to defend me against as many new versions as possible, I will be there like a shot.

most of them are new variants

Not sure that's true. Evidence?

with a largely unvaccinated population

Definitely not true.

Quite Volver. All of my China, based Chinese friends, are vaccinated. Think the Chinese vaccine is less successful than the Western ones, BUT everyone I know (and their families, including the very elderly) have had it.

I will continue to have one when invited to, just like I do the flu vaccine. Seems a sensible precaution to me. (Obviously, I know some people can’t have one for various reasons, but that’s different). If you don’t have seriously adverse reactions, then I personally think it’s wise to have one.

I had my fourth one in December and just had a sore arm for a day or so. I never had this with previous injections so maybe it depends on the skill of the person giving the injection.

I have no health issues and have had Covid twice - both times following a holiday. Both times it was no worse than a normal cold.

I have no serious health issues so I was a bit doubtful about having the fourth vaccination. To be honest, the thing that swayed me was the fact that we like going abroad and different countries have different entry requirements re. Covid. These may longer be required but I didn't want to take a chance. I appreciate that this will sound trivial compared to people with serious health issues.

My SIL is very anti-vacc and has not had any Covid vaccinations. She had Covid a few months ago and was fine. Maybe she was lucky but she is even more anti-vacc now.

Can anyone answer this please? We both had our 4th jab in October. The NHS COVID site is saying that we are now able to book a fifth. We have heard that you have to wait 6 months or so after having one. Does anyone know?

The Chinese government claims approx 90 % of their people are vaccinated which is pretty good when you look at the size of their population. Who knows if that is the truth or not ? As for new variants they can actually occur absolutely anywhere and whether they are specifically coming from China we will probably never know.

Elegran

China is having a tremendous surge of CoVid cases, most of them are new variants, They chose to counter the original outbreak wiht masks and by isolating the population, both from other countries and from each other, and they didn't have an effective vaccine. Now that they have opened up internally and to the rest of the world, they are now where we were in 2020, with a largely unvaccinated population. Their new variants will reach us soon for sure - maybe here already - so when I am offered the latest vaccination, tailored to defend me against as many new versions as possible, I will be there like a shot.

most of them are new variants

Not sure that's true. Evidence?

with a largely unvaccinated population

Definitely not true.

Welshy, - swollen lymph nodes? Really? With the NHS already failing to cope, the rising tide of winter infections, people dying waiting for an ambulance - you worry about minor side effects?

Our niece works in a hospital she says the wards are full of people with flu but only have symptoms of a cold.

Redhead56 I’m not sure what you mean by that. Is your niece suggesting that patients are admitted to the hospital with just cold symptoms? Patients aren’t even admitted to hospital with flu unless they are severely ill and require treatment with IV drugs, oxygen, steroids etc.

My daughter is a frontline nurse in a major city hospital. Like most hospitals it is completely full and gridlocked due to a huge influx of admissions due to flu, covid and norovirus. All these patients require in patient treatment or they wouldn’t be there.

China is having a tremendous surge of CoVid cases, most of them are new variants, They chose to counter the original outbreak wiht masks and by isolating the population, both from other countries and from each other, and they didn't have an effective vaccine. Now that they have opened up internally and to the rest of the world, they are now where we were in 2020, with a largely unvaccinated population. Their new variants will reach us soon for sure - maybe here already - so when I am offered the latest vaccination, tailored to defend me against as many new versions as possible, I will be there like a shot.

BlueBelle
I m afraid I don’t believe your story about wards being full of people with flu but only symptoms of a cold…. hospitals DO NOT take someone in who is just lightly ill at all that just isn’t true

True enough. Ex has a very bad version of the lurgy going around which has turned into pneumonia. No beds available. Trying to manage it at home despite having breathing problems.

Re smokers, it sounds as if it's the effects of smoking that are really the problem in that they exacerbate any other respiratory problems including, possibly, mere colds.

x posts, bluebelle.