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Is cultural tradition overrated?

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PECS Sat 13-Oct-18 13:34:25

Sometimes I have heard people voice their worries that "we" are losing "our" culture and traditions.

I was just wondering if it matters. My thinking was sparked by discussion elsewhere about Christmas decorations.

Traditionally the Christmas festival is 12 days, Easter 4 days then there are various other festivals: Patron Saints days, May day, All Hallows Eve & All Saints Day and various associated customs and activities etc.

Many were originally pagan (e.g. Wassialing/Carol singing), adopted by Christianity and now taken over by the commercial world.

Traditional music and dance seem to have lost a place in everyday life.. but does it matter?

Does it matter that hot x buns are eaten all year round? That Christmas pudding is ditched in favour of a swiss roll and ice cream? That hallowe'en has become overly focussed on trick or treating (guising) and Maypole dancing is now frowned upon now we realise a Maypole was phallic [grin}

Locally we have Morris dancing, mummers, town bonfire & processions, Carol Service and switching on of town Christmas lights so I don't feel bereft! But what do others think? Is cultural tradition overated?

lemongrove Sat 13-Oct-18 13:43:31

They mark the Seasons and become part of the calendar.
Our DGS sets great store by all the traditions, possibly most Children do, more than adults.
Other countries keep their culture and traditions alive, and we should to although am in favour of hot cross buns all year round.grin

PECS Sat 13-Oct-18 13:59:43

Ahh.. there we differ lemon I love a hot cross bun and mince pies but I am a bit of a "dog in a manger" and refuse to buy them until it is ' the season' for them and grumble at DH if he sneaks them in too soon! if we eat them all year or too often they are no longer 'traditionally' eaten at Christmas/Easter!

lemongrove Sat 13-Oct-18 14:03:50

True! I just like them ( a lot.) tchsmile

Baggs Sat 13-Oct-18 14:15:03

I don't feel that much of it matters even if the commercialisation is over the top, which it is. One can ignore a lot of that. Trick or Treat is essentially blackmail so I do object to that.

SueDonim Sat 13-Oct-18 14:18:20

My Dh loves Cadburys Creme eggs and each year he lurks, ready to pounce on the early crop which is usually in store around Christmas. Three years ago I spotted newly laid ones in a shop in the third week in December, appropriately in Egham in Surrey, and bought him a couple. He ate them there and there, not bothering to wait until Easter. grin

It would be a shame, though, if everything became the same as everything else as I think it's nice to have different things to look forward to.

paddyann Sat 13-Oct-18 14:19:49

its always been guising in Scotland as far back as my GGm and further as far as I'm aware .Kids here still expect to sing a song or recite a poem or tell a joke and then get their reward .We dont get many who say "trick or treat" usually its "the sky is blue the grass is green what do you have for my halloween" ,same as I said when I was wee .Locally its called the Gloshes .

BBbevan Sat 13-Oct-18 14:21:38

When I was young there was not a season for hot cross buns. All the shops were closed on Good Friday except the bakers. It was a real treat to go there to buy the buns. At Harvest Festival the baker also made an enormous bread wheat sheaf, complete with mouse. This was given to the church. Because we did not have, or see these things all year round, they were special.

sodapop Sat 13-Oct-18 14:36:56

I agree BBbevan I like having things in season, gives me something to look forward to.
I suppose its inevitable that customs will change and new ones evolve. I think it would be a shame to lose things like cheese rolling, Morris dancing etc.

Jalima1108 Sat 13-Oct-18 14:44:03

Is cultural tradition overated?
No - as long as commercialism does not take over.
We have just been to a country with a very long history and traditions which are still kept alive. Dancing, their food and their awareness of their history - all a matter of great pride and a great tourist attraction too, so bringing in much needed money by visitors to the country.

Jalima1108 Sat 13-Oct-18 14:46:29

We've been practising songs for harvest festival today (but not 'We Plough the Fields and Scatter' - apparently superseded by 'fun' songs).

PECS Sat 13-Oct-18 14:53:59

BBevan Exactly my perspective! My mum used to get up early to finish baking Hot X buns. She would have done the prep late on Maundy Thursday and then get up to get them in the oven in time for breakfast.

Jalima1108 Sat 13-Oct-18 15:08:41

Even after we were married I remember the shops being shut on Good Friday - apart from the village baker's which made lovely hot cross buns.

I have made them (once grin)

SueDonim Sat 13-Oct-18 15:15:02

Ha, I'm a once-only hot cross bun maker, too, Jalima. grin

As a child I used to dread Easter. Shops and everything else shut on Friday, open on Sat morning for the ritual dash out for more bread, everything closed on Sunday, everything closed on Monday and my mother in a four-day bad mood, coping with four children and her grumpy father, plus my dad who didn't like any change in routine.

It was actually okay if the weather was good but if it was a cold, wet Easter it was misery! I'm not sure even the eggs made up for that.

BBbevan Sat 13-Oct-18 15:33:43

I made hot cross buns once. We cobbled the path with them 😁

oldbatty Sat 13-Oct-18 16:57:24

What is cultural tradition?

Jalima1108 Sat 13-Oct-18 17:54:28

Culture is the characteristics and knowledge of a particular group of people, encompassing language, religion, cuisine, social habits, music and arts.

www.livescience.com/21478-what-is-culture-definition-of-culture.html

'Cultural Tradition'
The passing down of elements of a culture from generation to generation, especially by oral communication: cultural practices that are preserved by tradition.

My hot cross buns were very nice BBbevan (thought I say it myself wink). The problem was that I made about 3 dozen of them!

Baggs Sat 13-Oct-18 17:56:44

Bbevan 😁😁😁

We did the same with some of my sister's parkin once. Couldn't even cut it with a saw!

Jalima1108 Sat 13-Oct-18 17:57:35

sounds like my gf pastry!
The problem is that it is not at all traditional.
although the mincemeat filling is.

mokryna Sun 14-Oct-18 09:22:39

Where is Guy Fawkes in your list? Has that been forgotten for Trick and Treat which we never did when I was a child.

sluttygran Sun 14-Oct-18 09:28:35

Christmas is a twelve day festival? Well I never!
It seems to begin at the end of August each year, and carries on through the January sales, finally retiring in time for the Valentine’s Day commercial shindig.
Bah humbug!
Actually I love Christmas, but won’t acknowledge it until late November.

PECS Sun 14-Oct-18 09:31:39

Just forgot to put it in! And I have a special soft spot for Nov 5th.. Met my DH at a firework party!!
We always celebrated Halloween..though did not trick or treat.. but a similar guising tradition in some areas of UK.

Saggi Sun 14-Oct-18 09:31:45

Not religious at all but I like to keep the different celebrations as separate as possible. I could scream at people who put Christmas secs up before December ( I put them up last week before the DAY). Why spoil the expectation, I agree with a previous poster though....hot x buns...all year round please.

PECS Sun 14-Oct-18 09:34:04

slutty That is part of the reason for me starting this thread! I hate the extension of some festivals because ,for me, it diminishes them.

oldbatty Sun 14-Oct-18 09:37:40

Isn't culture constantly shifting and changing ? I like the craziness of it sometimes.