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Philosophical ideas to get through hard times

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Dawn22 Mon 16-Mar-20 19:14:26

I would like to start a thread about what we can learn from the old stoics and philosophers and there is much to know about there take on life and then how we can apply that to 21st living.

I liked this so here goes

An old Cherokee was teaching his grandson about life.
"A fight is going on inside me" he said to the boys. It is a fight between two wolves. One has anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, self-pity, guilt, lies and ego."
He continued; "The other is good- he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, kindness, empathy, truth, compassion and faith.
"The same fight is going on inside you too Grandson - and inside every other person too."
The Grandson looked and asked "Which wolf will win?"
The old Cherokee simply replied "The one you feed".

Hope this message helps.

rosecarmel Wed 18-Mar-20 23:40:55

Whenever you are creating beauty around you, you are restoring your own soul. Alice Walker

Dawn22 Thu 19-Mar-20 17:46:46

Epictetus said
In the days ahead there will be many conflicting ideas and ways. You will be tested and you will be thrown on your own. Simply seek within and go your way in peace. It will matter not to you how the wind and storm will rage because you will remain unaffected.
Good words then and appropriate for now.
Dawn xx

trisher Thu 19-Mar-20 17:56:22

I always go for poetry in difficult times- Emily Dickinson Hope is a thing with feathers

“Hope” is the thing with feathers -
That perches in the soul -
And sings the tune without the words -
And never stops - at all -

And sweetest - in the Gale - is heard -
And sore must be the storm -
That could abash the little Bird
That kept so many warm -

I’ve heard it in the chillest land -
And on the strangest Sea -
Yet - never - in Extremity,
It asked a crumb - of me.

Dawn22 Thu 19-Mar-20 22:58:38

So far; only me; l will persist.

Sleep the sleep of the just.

Dawn22 Thu 19-Mar-20 23:03:28

Great Trisher. Great wisdom.

rosecarmel Fri 20-Mar-20 11:56:49

“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed, citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.”
― Margaret Mead

Dawn22 Fri 20-Mar-20 23:10:59

Serenity Prayer
God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot.
Courage to change the things I can;
And wisdom to know the difference.

Sleep well tonight.

Sleep the sleep of the just.

Chestnut Fri 20-Mar-20 23:16:52

Someone sent me this who is in lockdown in Spain:

“And the people stayed home. And read books, and listened, and rested, and exercised, and made art, and played games, and learned new ways of being, and were still. And listened more deeply. Some meditated, some prayed, some danced. Some met their shadows. And the people began to think differently. And the people healed. And, in the absence of people living in ignorant, dangerous, mindless and heartless ways, the earth began to heal. And when the danger passed, and the people joined together again, they grieved their losses, and made new choices, and dreamed new images, and created new ways to live and heal the earth fully, as they had been healed.”

~Kitty O’Meara~

rosecarmel Sat 21-Mar-20 15:55:07

“Integrity is choosing courage over comfort; it's choosing what is right over what is fun, fast, or easy; and choosing to practice our values rather than simply professing them.”

Brene Brown

Dawn22 Sat 21-Mar-20 22:30:49

Hopeful and apt words for our time Chestnut.

I don't want to be alone; but l want to be left alone.
- Audrey Hepburn
At this time of such rampant change it appears that we are less able to be ourselves and have less control in our lives than ever. I try and remember my essential self but need at times to be alone similar to Hepburn above. As my mind adjusted to it; it seemed somewhat of an attack.

Sleep well tonight all wise people as we try and grapple with our defining moment in history. Wisdom will console, inspire and strengthen us.

Sleep the sleep of the just.

Dawn22 Sun 22-Mar-20 09:06:45

The wisest have the most authority.
- Plato

Let us use our deeply held wisdom to circumnavigate around instead of straight through this situation. All l can currently do are very small things for myself and others. Also l have accepted that this is the new normal. None of us are happy about the world we live in currently but we must walk hand in hand with it; resisting will cause more strain.

Take care today wherever you are.
Dawn xx

Whitewavemark2 Sun 22-Mar-20 09:39:41

My all time favourite poet

Dawn22 Sun 22-Mar-20 21:59:46

"Philosophy is the highest form of music."
Author unknown

We can still dream our dreams. We can still implement our hopes. We can still make our plans; even plans within plans.

Sleep the sleep of the just. Anon
Dawn xx.

Dawn22 Mon 23-Mar-20 07:43:59

If you have a garden and a library you have everything you need.

-Marcus Tullio Cicero

Yes it must be that line of thinking that we need now.

GrannyLaine Mon 23-Mar-20 08:08:31

Life is mainly froth and bubble
Two things stand like stone
Kindness in another's trouble
Courage in your own.

Dawn22 Mon 23-Mar-20 19:01:14

Beautiful message Granny Laine.
So true.
Easy to feel down these days as we face into new uncertain times.

Simply put
"Where there is life there is hope."
Marcus Tullius Cicero.

rockgran Mon 23-Mar-20 19:18:45

Desiderata by Max Ehrmann..

I love the whole thing but this is pertinent....

........And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Dawn22 Tue 24-Mar-20 00:02:52

Sleep well in

Sleeping the sleep of the just.

Dawn22 Tue 24-Mar-20 09:11:46

"If you make happiness your goal you are not going to get it. Better to aim for an interesting life."
- Dorothy Rowe.

Wonderful freeing words. Happiness is being redefined now. Change and lower our expectations.

DoraMarr Tue 24-Mar-20 09:42:51

*Dawn, this is a lovely thread, thank you. Do you know “The Darkling Thrush” by Thomas Hardy?

Dawn22 Tue 24-Mar-20 17:17:56

Dora Marr
Thanks a mil. Just trying to apply old wisdom with what is happening in the world as we speak. And only just have real good things on it.
I will indeed look up that poem and find meaning in it as that is what gives me hope.
Hope you pop back in. It all helps.
Dawn xx

Juliet27 Tue 24-Mar-20 17:33:11

^I don't think of all the misery but of the beauty that still remains."
- Anne Frank ^

Dawn22 that's not one I was aware of but on a sunny spring day like today was it's so relevant

trisher Tue 24-Mar-20 20:04:11

As a bit of light relief I always liked Adrian Mitchel's poem Celia-
When I am sad and weary
When I think all hope has gone
When I walk along High Holborn
I think of you with nothing on

Dawn22 Tue 24-Mar-20 22:56:55

Great input Juliet and Trisher

That gave me a smile just before bed Trish. It reminds me of

He is a man with a nose and two big toes.

Sleep well as best we can whilst
Sleeping the sleep of the just. Anon.

rosecarmel Tue 24-Mar-20 23:04:21

“Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth”
― Pema Chodron, When Things Fall Apart: Heart Advice for Difficult Times