Prince Harry and a vegan diet.

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Iam64 After eading your post, I Googled Tesco Red Tractor and breeding pigs, and found that Tesco has dropped the farm in the video you mention, after seeing how the pigs were treated there. I am posting this so that the well-meaning Red Tractor scheme itself is not blamed for the cruelty!

LJPI I dont agree with you that vegans 'tend' to be deficient in iron or B12. Being on a plant based diet can be very healthy and make one a very adventurous cook.
Meat eater's can be deficient in vitamins and minerals just as easily especially if they eat a lot of ready meals. Just as someone on a plant based diet who lives off convenience foods would as well..
I find people on a plant based diet are more aware and careful of what they put in their bodies.

I used to know a very odd family (children called Freedom, Truth and Promise) where the mother, seemingly out of the blue, became a VERY Orthodox New - previously Catholic - so obviously the diet of all four changed dramatically. Then she decided they were going gluten free, on the mistaken premise that it was healthier. That was followed by removing dairy foods from their diet, then eggs. Then they became vegetarian and finally vegan. The children had no choice but to eat what they were given; I lost touch but have often wondered what became of them all...

Will the cows just proliferate and take over the world, gillybob? Or perhaps sheep. Or pigs?

That reminds me of a book...……..

I heard a vegan guy talking on the radio the other day about a book or film ( can’t remember which) . Set in the future we were all vegans ( we didn’t know we were as there was no name for such a thing) . He said we no longer thought it appropriate to “steal milk from cows , that was meant for their own babies” I was tempted to ring in and ask “ what cows would they be then?” They’re a bit big to keep as pets aren’t they ?

I love the Bosh cookbook Gonegirl but I adapt the recipes to suit my low meat but non vegan diet . IYSWIM

LJP1 it is just not true thay breast milk contains no iron. It is low in iron as babies are born with a store of iron enough for about the first six months. This store is improved by not cutting the cord for an extra 2-3 minutes. We are the only mamal that separates mother and baby so quickly.

Reminds me of when muesli became so popular amongst the middle classes. And then the children became under nourished and everyone shrieked in horror.

I think it's a fad, and not a good one. Probably fuelled by clever selling of recent books on the subject. this one in particular

I note Meghan still loves her various expensive designer leather handbags and shoes.

Last April 2018 I changed from vegetarian for 23 years to vegan but with all the research I have done Whole Food Plant Based is best or you could end up eating to much processed vegan food. A good site I have found 'Plant Based Health Professionals UK'. Doctors just do not know enough about nutrition. They only seem to want to make better or cure and not prevent the health problems like heart disease, diebetes, high blood pressure. Hyprocrites said 'Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food'

Each to his, or her, own I say. I don't understand why people get so worked up about other people's eating habits. I admire vegans for their commitment - it's not an easy way of life.

I'm a 95% non-meat eater (though I do eat fish) but very occasionally I "lapse" and have some meat. As I say to my husband, it's easy to give up meat if you don't really like it (which he doesn't) but it's more of a struggle if you do!

I'm sure the young people I see coming out of the fried chicken shop, no doubt on a regular basis, are more at risk of health issues than people who follow a vegan diet.

Introducing your baby to solid foods from around 6 months is the same for vegetarian and vegan babies as it is for other babies.

Offering your baby a variety of foods will help make sure they get all the nutrients they need to grow and develop.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/pregnancy-and-baby/vegetarian-vegan-children/

We should be encouraging a more flexitarian approach - less meat and dairy, even vegan or vegetarian days or weeks, by cutting down on meat and dairy, even if not cutting out completely, would be better for health and the planet. Children can be perfectly healthy on a veggie diet, and a vegan one if carefully managed. It’s a bit of a minefield as we all know that eating highly processed food, cheap fried chicken and so on is also not a healthy diet. So it’s not that an animal protein based diet healthy is automatically better than a plant based one.

The best diet for any growing child though is not veganism, or vegetarianism but a good all round diet, until they are grown and can make their own minds up.
I agree absolutely lemongrove
I was quite surprised to hear that my friend's little DGC do eat some meat even though their parents are committed vegetarians. Their mother has done a lot of research about this. I do know other families, however, where the DC were/are brought up as vegetarians (but not vegans).
There have been instances of extreme ill health and even death from children being brought up on a vegan diet. Growing children do need a high number of calories and concentrated protein which is not always possible to provide on a vegan diet.

They can make their own minds up when they are older, past growing, and can choose for themselves.

People ( and their constitutions) are all wildly different.
Therefore vegans are not all the same.
Some look healthy and some really don’t.
The best diet for any growing child though is not veganism, or vegetarianism but a good all round diet, until they are grown and can make their own minds up.

Some people have an unhealthy relationship with food, whatever their food choices are . Maybe your young relative is one of those gillybob. Taking meat and dairy out of your diet doesn't leave you with only 5 or 6 food choices and if she's going for unhealthy foods I'm not surprised you're worried about her.
I could give up fish, chicken and dairy but don't want to. I don't eat farmed fish ever, it's so unhealthy. I only eat free range, organic chicken but I do like dairy. Wicked I know.

I work with at least 3 vegans; the oldest is 60 and is healthier than anyone I know.

My young relative is 22 Iam her mother brought her up as a vegetarian but she became vegan at around 13-14 . She has had a lot of problems since then and seems to live on about 5-6 quite unhealthy foods .

I posted last year that my granddaughter (12) has become a vegetarian . She’s very fit and healthy and manages perfectly well but I would be very worried if she became vegan .

I eat very little meat myself but couldn’t give up fish, chicken or dairy .

Erm there are photos on the web to prove it merlot probably something he regrets these days but the photos will never go away .

Im not sure he does the big game stuff anymore, unlike that hideous relative of Trump ( son in law?) who took a photo of himself with a giraffe he had just killed.

merlotgran he hunts abroad ...big game .Thets worse than hunting for food in my opinion.Killing for sport is abhorrent to me ,I cant understand the mindset of picking up a gun and killing a live animal for pleasure .

RosieLeah Harry doesn't hunt because it's no longer legal.

gillybob - your young relative probably needs some help from older, wiser vegans on how to eat properly without using animal products. I'm meeting a friend for lunch at the local vegan cafe tomorrow. The friend became vegan about three years ago because of animal welfare issues. Straight from meat eating to being vegan, with no vegetarian patch in between. The friend looks and is very healthy. The diet is varied and very enjoyable. It does take more thought from those of us who have been meat eaters. I saw a video on line recently about the Tesco so called Red Tractor (ie good animal welfare) scheme. The breeding pigs were kept lying on their sides, by being caged, so piglets could feed but the mother pig was unable to move at all. Pigs are friendly, intelligent animals. I couldn't eat any product from an animal so mistreated and have no difficulty at all in understanding my friends vegan choices.

I know one vegan (a young relative) she is never very well and looks like a ghost. Having said that even being a vegan her diet is restricted to only a few things so she has to take masses of pills and supplements.