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The other side of reducing sugar in foods

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M0nica Wed 02-Jan-19 17:09:35

Tucked into my stocking on Christmas morning was a bottle of Ribena Winter Spice. I hate milk so often have a hot cordial where others would have a milky drink or hot chocolate.

The label said in big print reduced sugar nothing else, but one taste of it had me spitting it out. The sugar that might otherwise be added had been replaced by sweetener and it has a horrible taste that I loathe. When I studied the very tiny print that listed the ingredients. there it was; artificial sweetener, (aspartame and something else).

Now the family has gone home, I have tipped the contents down the sink and recycled the bottle, but now I am going to have to scrutinise the label of anything I buy that might contain sugar to see if it has been replaced by sweetener and, if it is, put it back on the shelf.

I think if manufacturers replace sugar with sweetener, this should be clearly stated on the label in print big enough to read without glasses, at least 8 point type.

M0nica Tue 29-Jun-21 19:18:24

Now of course we have the dangers UPFs, Ultra Processed Foods.

My rule has always been to cook from scratch, stick to simple ingredients and avoid, to quote a saying, 'anything containing ingredients that your grandmother would not recognise.'

Antonia Tue 29-Jun-21 18:41:02

:30icanhandthemback

Anything with carbohydrates in has “sugar” in it. Fruit, spuds, pasta, all add sugars to your system. The trick is to limit carbs and eat more protein. Whoops, that’ll mess up your cholesterol.
Anything with salt, bad for you. Anything with sugar, bad for you. Anything tasting vaguely alcoholic, bad for you. Salad? Maybe but beware of that pesky dressing! Eggs? Cholesterol, so bad for you. Cheese? Pure fat, bad for you. Cake, biscuits? Don't even say the words.
I'm getting to the point where I feel guilty as soon as anything passes my lips. grin

chukky1 Tue 29-Jun-21 16:13:15

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Jillyjosie Tue 29-Jun-21 08:04:46

The NHS link above returns a result stating that the page has been retired!

It's always wise to follow up statements about research by investigating who has paid for the research. Tobacco companies have long paid for research apparently proving that smoking doesn't cause lung cancer.

The jury is still out on artificial sweeteners:
"Aspartame: Decades of Science Point to Serious Health Risks" usrtk.org/sweeteners/aspartame_health_risks/

nanna8 Tue 29-Jun-21 01:23:29

I always wonder about these fake sugars which are invariably sweeter than the real thing. Having been to a sugar cane farm I can see sugar is a natural product but, like anything else, moderation is the best policy.

ElderlyPerson Tue 29-Jun-21 01:02:44

I was thinking of starting a new thread about avoiding drinks and anything else with artificial sweetener.

I found this thread.

Got a heads up that it had not been posted on for over a year.

In fact not for over two years - in the days before the pandemic - remember them?

So, new thread or

BUMP

M0nica Mon 07-Jan-19 08:00:41

Reading the NHS report in detail. It is commendably and fairly reported and does make clear the many limitations of the research. In fact the limitations are so many, I am not sure why the research took place, still less why it was published.

However Gold standard the sample selection was. No research seems to have been done into the amount or pattern of consumption of those reporting aspartame triggered symptoms and the research does not replicate their experience.

A bit like measuring the health effects of smoking by giving participants one cigarette a week to smoke.

Anja Mon 07-Jan-19 07:41:20

If you say so Monica

icanhandthemback Sun 06-Jan-19 22:05:49

M0nica, it was only a small sample as well. I know people who avoid aspartame because they used to get regular migraines when they were drinking diet drinks. When they gave them up, their migraines disappeared. It could be coincidental but they couldn't pin point anything else and when they have aspartame unbeknown to them, they get a migraine.

M0nica Sun 06-Jan-19 21:39:06

Anja that study showing that there is no such thing as aspartame sensitivity.

The study showed nothing of the sort. It showed no sign of aspartame sensitivity among those consuming a cereal bar containing aspartame once a week - and the study is titled Research casts doubt on aspartame sensitivity

It is sweeping statements made by those who have not read properly or have chosen to misunderstand careful research that give statistics such a bad name.

M0nica Sun 06-Jan-19 21:32:04

I read the article. But found the study unconvincing because it gave participants only one cereal bar a week containing aspartame.

I can eat the occasional product containing aspartame without any effect. I developed headaches when I began using aspartame regularly as an alternative to sugar, which is an entirely different scenario and the one most associated with aspartame induced headaches.

When I decided to immediately eliminate all sweeteners from my diet the headaches disappeared within a week. The two events were so closely linked, I can think of no other explanation for the headaches clearing other than that i was no longer consuming aspartame.

At the time I was unaware of any link between aspartame and headaches and didn't find that out for several years.

Morgana Fri 04-Jan-19 18:29:01

DH is type 2 diabetic, and has been advised multiple times to use sweetener rather than sugar. We always tell them we don't agree!!!

Anja Thu 03-Jan-19 23:24:47

Thank you Saetana for posting that study showing that there is no such thing as aspartame sensitivity.

Well done.

Saetana Thu 03-Jan-19 23:08:54

Check out this article on NHS Choices about a recent study into Aspartame sensitivity www.nhs.uk/news/food-and-diet/research-casts-doubt-on-aspartame-sensitivity/

Scribbles Thu 03-Jan-19 22:36:03

I'm baffled as to why so many brands of toothpaste contain artificial sweetener. It's disgusting and leaves a vile taste behind - not really a desirable result of cleaning one's teeth.

Izabella Thu 03-Jan-19 20:57:49

Legs have you looked at the low carb thread?

Legs55 Thu 03-Jan-19 20:46:24

I'm Diabetic Type 2 , advice is not to replace sugar with sweetners. Fruit is high in sugar so I'm restricted to 2 portions per day (apple, banana are 1 portion each, handful of grapes or 2 plums) also beetroot, parsnip & sweetcorn are high in sugar too. I have 2 cups of coffee per day, maybe 3 in the Winter, 1 in the Summer with 2 tsps of sugar coffee doesn't hit the spot without sugar I've tried to cut down but I find it almost impossible. I don't have a "sweet tooth" preferring savoury. I rarely buy a ready meal preferring to cook from scratch but also find it almost impossible to lose weightconfused

Onestepbeyond Thu 03-Jan-19 19:57:36

partytchsmileI like my sugar in alcohol partytchsmile

Seakay Thu 03-Jan-19 19:47:54

sorry - that should be that they don't legislate for reduced sweetness

ie taxing sugar and allowing sweeteners means foods are just as sweet and our cravings for sweet things continues

Seakay Thu 03-Jan-19 19:43:21

Fennel

our bodies are designed to crave high energy difficult to obtain (in nature) sugars and carbohydrates - we haven't changed much since we walked everywhere and getting honey was a challenging and difficult operation.
Now we are largely seated and static and carbs and sugars are cheap and easily available but the craving is still active

Seakay Thu 03-Jan-19 19:38:16

Typical Tory fudging:

don't have a clean air act - ban smoking and leave other dangers in place (eg gangs work in the London underground without masks and come up black and choking, but they aren't allowed to smoke because it's unhealthy)
don't legislate for reduced sweeteners - tax sugar and allow sweeteners which have the same diabetes causing effects and are contraindicated for may illnesses

Pittcity Thu 03-Jan-19 18:58:07

Morgana I think you'll find that "original" Vimto, like "original" Ribena now contains Acesulfane K, an artificial sweetener. Neither are the original formula at all.
Artificial sweeteners give me a hangover so I am always reading labels.

Fennel Thu 03-Jan-19 18:44:03

Is sweet food addictive?
Where we live there's a high rate of obesity. every other person you see is carrying some kind of drink in their hand. And probably most of the drinks are sweetened.
Or some snack food probably with added sugar (or the other one.)

Morgana Thu 03-Jan-19 18:43:13

I like Vimto, which has a no artificial sweeteners version, although I must now check to see if it contains fructose. We avoid aspartame as it gave my husband terrible leg pains. Very bad for you!

Barmeyoldbat Thu 03-Jan-19 17:32:45

SarahellenW.... artificial sweeteners also make me feel quite ill with stomach cramps and the need for the loo, quickly. I drink water and a few cups of coffee a day. The first cup of the day always has one lump of sugar in it and afterwards no sugar. I tend to drink a lot of milk as a cold drink.