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School governors and academies

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whitewave Fri 18-Mar-16 08:12:13

Interested in how the new all dancing all singing school governors are going to be recruited. What are these special skills? Surely it is desirable to hear the voices of the parents and governors of the local community? Is there not a lessening of accountability to these communities?

I am concerned about the democratic gap beginning to be opened up. First schools are being taken away from democratically elected local authority control. LAs have a duty to educate all children within its catchment area. How will that work with independent academies?

How will imposing something on communities that they have actively shown they do not want contribute to the democratic process?

Alea Thu 31-Mar-16 17:21:41

While perhaps 90% of parents etc are not willing or able to join the governing body of a school, I deprecate the reduction of opportunity to play a part, to bring their particular professional expertise and to form a bridge with the community at large. I also believe strongly in the "leavening" effect of non-professionals (non-teaching professionals, I mean) on groups such as governing bodies.

durhamjen Thu 31-Mar-16 17:17:01

This is how much the bosses of academy chains earn.

tompride.wordpress.com/2016/03/16/the-shocking-scale-of-osbornes-fat-cat-academy-school-ceos-pay-exposed/

durhamjen Thu 31-Mar-16 15:29:46

kittysjones.wordpress.com/2016/03/31/why-are-parents-in-england-not-doing-more-to-stand-up-for-their-children/

daphnedill Thu 31-Mar-16 09:14:03

I'm quite interested to know how C of E and Catholic schools are responding to this. Voluntary aided schools own their own land and buildings and I can't see them handing over control to some anonymous multi-academy trust. They wouldn't hand over the buildings to the state after the 1944 Education Act, which is why they still have separate funding arrangements.

JessM Wed 30-Mar-16 18:56:13

Apart from bringing a halt to investment in school buildings, there are a number of other hidden agendas, i would suggest.
Picture a country in which the Tories have fiddled the electoral boundaries and maintain control of the press, so have managed to stay in power for the rest of our lives...
Central control - by the Department of Education, thus removing annoying local democracy from education.
Move parents out of governing bodies as they are another nuisance that could challenge the running of the school and diminish power of the department.
Small schools don't have the capability to run as academies without LA support, so they will be grouped into chains (which usually involves secondary-trained senior staff trying to run primary education) or under business like academy sponsors. These are "trusts" but appoint their own chief executives and board members. There is no oversight apart from THE DEPARTMENT.
Appoint a head of OFSTED who is in sympathy with the current Secretary of State.
Don't inspect schools that have recently changed their status to Academy (this is in the education bill)
Starve state education in England of money and let the quality of education it provides fall into decline along with the buildings.
Keep lying about how well it is doing.
Raise a glass of bubbly to the rise and rise of private sector as more and more parents opt out of comprehensive education.
Petitions are an inappropriate way to protest at the moment. There will be debates in parliament about this, as it is part of the Education Bill. So no point petitioning for a debate.
Writing to your MP is the way to go, using WriteToThem.com for convenience.

durhamjen Tue 29-Mar-16 16:47:01

This is the government response to the petition, which got over 100,000 signatures.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/118060?reveal_response=yes#response-threshold

It looks like they can decide whether or not to allow a teacher to stay on a case by case basis.
I think once these teachers go back where they came from, they are not going to want to come back here when they have enough years behind them to qualify. Anyway, as the £35,000 is based on the median, that will go up as teachers pay goes up.
Nothing like shooting themselves in the foot.

The petition was debated in Westminster Hall. They do not get a vote. Parliament has debated this petition - that's all they said. They use these words to weasel out of anything that is controversial.

Penstemmon Tue 29-Mar-16 16:34:21

I saw the article. To be earning £35k would require a teacher to be very experienced /good and to be taking management responsibility for a subject area. Many hard working younger/less experienced class teaches earn under £30k. If will cause difficulties in some areas where reliance on overseas staff is essential to keep the school open. It also affects those Brits who marry foreigners. I have a friend who went to teach EFL in Dubai. She met and married a Pakistani guy and they have a daughter (6) They will probably never be able to live as a couple in UK as she is unlikely to earn £35k..the required amount now to bring a spouse to UK.

Penstemmon Tue 29-Mar-16 16:24:20

blush definition ..oops!

durhamjen Tue 29-Mar-16 16:00:10

Good word that, Penstemmon. That's probably what the government call it, too.

Have you seen this from today's Guardian?

www.theguardian.com/education/2016/mar/29/teachers-abroad-packing-recruitment-crisis-losing-staff

From April non-EU teachers who do not earn more than £35,000 will have to go home- to Canada, Australia, New Zealand.
I signed the petition and there was a government response. The only teacher I know who earns more than £35,000 has been teaching for over 23 years. Not that I know all their salaries, but I know those who say they do not earn that.

Penstemmon Tue 29-Mar-16 15:42:09

What the government or its reps. never seem to be asked is why, after so much investment is the National Curriculum not a "must"for Academy scools but is for LA schools? Either it is a "National"curriculum or it is not!! I know a curriculum is irrelevent for the gov. as they are relying on the SATs to drive what is taught. Times tables, phonics and old fashioned grammar!
All very useful in their place but that is not my feginition of a good education.

Luckygirl Tue 29-Mar-16 12:11:31

Here is a very interesting link from MumsNet:

disidealist.wordpress.com/2016/03/20/the-mysterious-case-of-the-disappearing-schools-how-state-schools-will-be-privatised-without-anyone-noticing/

If someone has posted this before and I missed it, then I apologise in advance.

durhamjen Mon 28-Mar-16 23:32:20

www.theguardian.com/education/2016/mar/28/perry-beeches-academy-chain-stripped-schools-critical-finance-report

Hope that none of the previous governors/managers are on the new board.

"A Whitehall source said: “This shows the academy system is working, with the EFA identifying issues and regional schools commissioners intervening and rebrokering effectively, as part of a robust system of oversight.” "

They seem to be forgetting that it wouldn't have happened if the schools had still been local authority controlled.

durhamjen Mon 28-Mar-16 10:17:14

"Nicky Morgan justified the key elements of the Education and Adoption Bill, currently going through parliament, on the basis that no child should remain in an inadequate school for a day longer than is necessary. The DfE's own data indicates that, if forced academisation goes through, then many more children will remain in inadequate schools for longer than if they had remained maintained schools.

The numbers are not huge. The DfE figures indicate that just 66 secondary schools and 48 primary schools, that were converted while "Inadequate", have had an Ofsted inspection since the conversion. Surprisingly 82% of secondaries and 63% of primaries have not, according to this data, been reinspected. However this is the only data that exists on the effect conversion has on the Ofsted rating of underperforming schools. There is no data to support the Secretary of State's argument that becoming a sponsored academy accelerates a school's improvement. There is this evidence to show the opposite."

This is from this report on the DfE's own figures.

www.localschoolsnetwork.org.uk/2015/07/dfe-data-sponsored-academies-lead-to-slower-school-improvement

The government has had a long time to read the department's figures and realise that making all schools academies is wrong and will do nothing to improve the education of pupils.

Elrel Mon 28-Mar-16 00:33:51

Phoebe - she was very unlucky. Most secondary schools go to some trouble to ease the transition including understanding that Year 7 pupils are likely to get lost in their first few days. The giving of a first day detention sounds very harsh and must have rung warning bells about the school.

Eloethan Sun 27-Mar-16 23:29:50

phoebe It appears you think that only children who have the potential to pass the 11+ are "sensitive" and "bright".

Penstemmon Sat 26-Mar-16 22:20:15

On the latest list from DfE there are 150 named Academies that have recieved warning letters because the standards are deemed not good enough. We don't see this in the press.

durhamjen Sat 26-Mar-16 22:18:30

Nicky Morgan did not get it that the teachers were laughing when she said she wouldn't want to become a teacher.

durhamjen Sat 26-Mar-16 21:23:34

Nicky Morgan stated that schools had improved since 2010. However, all the criteria have changed on which they are judged, so how does she know?

Penstemmon Sat 26-Mar-16 21:09:20

Eight out of 10 schools are good or outstanding Currently LAs retain some money devolved by the DfE to provide various support services to schools. This includes HR/payroll/legal and insurance/ professional development support/ attendance support/monitoring of standards etc . The rest of the money goes to schools to pay staff/rates/utility bills/maintenance costs/IT/books & paper etc.etc. Academies and Free schools still have to have all these services they just sort it all themselves. There have been at least 6 cases where an Academy trust /Free school CEO appears to have been paying companies that they are also involved in to deliver the services. So not only earning a fair whack as CEO but gaining from awarding work to their own company. This is public money!!! In one case a Dating Agency was being run from an Academy too confused and a principal's son was having his training paid for. Accountability is not good!

durhamjen Sat 26-Mar-16 17:31:12

schoolsweek.co.uk/teachers-band-releases-anti-academies-punk-single-nicky-morgans-eyes/

durhamjen Sat 26-Mar-16 16:23:05

None of the teachers I know want the grammar schools back, not even those who taught in them.
They want smaller class sizes, and the chance to teach, with less paperwork and less testing.
There was an article I read about the fact that there is going to be more testing, of a cohort of unknown size, age 14 to 16, if I remember correctly, in English and maths, because obviously there is not enough at the moment.

I also read that half teaching staff are planning to leave over the next five years. I hope they've factored that into their plans.
Half the teachers leaving, half the NHS staff leaving. That's going to be a problem for their employment figures.
I'm feeling quite happy that their chickens are coming home to roost.

obieone Sat 26-Mar-16 15:23:45

Agree with Luckygirl post of 1010am
Am I right in thinking there do not have to be 12 Governors anymore?

Phoebes Sat 26-Mar-16 15:17:41

Nicky Morgan should listen to the teachers who know what they are talking about and not bring about these sweeping changes without listening to them. I retired from teaching in a comprehensive 15 years ago and the system wasn't perfect then, but the idea of academies seems completely bonkers to me.
My friend's grand daughter, who is just 13 and very bright but sensitive, moved from her nice little primary school to a huge academy. On her first day there, she was put in detention because she arrived late for a lesson as she got lost and couldn't find the room. She was very fragile anyway, because her parents had split up and she had two new little step brothers from her mother's new relationship. Her much-loved aunt had also recently died from cancer in her thirties. The detention was the last straw.
She is now in her second year and is unable to go to classes as she is so damaged by her experience on her first day, combined with the size of the school and the other things going on in her life. In getting on for two years, the school has not managed to sort this out and she sits in a room on her own and is set work to do. Nobody seems to be bothered about this, and in the meantime, her education is suffering.
Bring back the grammar schools! Schools now are far too big and sensitive children get completely overwhelmed. I went to a grammar school, but bright children from sec mods could transfer if they were obviously in the wrong place. Sec mods gave you an excellent education - in fact, my then boyfriend went to a sec mod and got exactly the same number of good O -levels as I did. He then went on to an apprenticeship and got a very good job.
This one-size-fits-all idea doesn't do anybody any favours!

Luckygirl Sat 26-Mar-16 15:15:41

politicalscrapbook.net/2016/03/why-the-government-quietly-buried-news-of-a-big-academy-schools-scandal-yesterday/

A link to some of the things that government would like to keep quiet about: financial corruption in consortia running schools. Well, what a surprise!

Luckygirl Sat 26-Mar-16 15:06:03

Well God help us all!