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How do you score in a test aimed at 10-11 yr olds?

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merlotgran Sat 16-Apr-16 10:58:38

www.sats2016.co.uk/think-youd-pass-your-sats-in-2016/

I had to giggle at the missing apostrophe in the link though.

claireseptember Sun 17-Apr-16 16:50:53

got G90% but like Cosafina am also an ex EFL teacher. But even as a former teacher I see absolutely no point in most of this. Would like children to be able to spell but above all to enjoy reading and creative writing. I fear that these tests will turn most of them off English for life, oh and incidentally but very importantly, I suspect it will work heavily in favour of the kids from a more middle class background.

michel55 Sun 17-Apr-16 15:53:32

I pass easily the maths test , I did not try the English test ..... I am French so I have some excuses smile

Luckygirl Sun 17-Apr-16 15:51:57

"Primary school should be for embedding the main parts of speech, punctuation and use of capital letters, etc." I do agree Daphne - filling primary age children with totally unnecessary stuff is completely pointless and causes huge problems to the slower pupils, who are left feeling worthless for no good reason.

Iam64 Sun 17-Apr-16 15:50:53

I'm genuinely puzzled as to why any of this will benefit the children who are expected to get a good pass level. Especially as the younger teachers in primary school won't have been taught any grammar when they were at school…...

Grandmama Sun 17-Apr-16 15:50:37

Oh dear, 70% for English. I didn't know what some of the grammatical terms meant, in spite of studying languages at grammar school and now as an OAP at evening class and U3A.

25% for Maths - in 2000 I passed GCSE Maths at evening class with a B - the highest possible score for intermediate Maths!!!

grandMattie Sun 17-Apr-16 15:21:11

cheat! wink

Worlass Sun 17-Apr-16 15:02:38

The shame of it.....only 50%! Can't believe it, since I am the one in the family who was always considered a whizz-kid at English.

daphnedill Sun 17-Apr-16 15:01:06

I agree, but that is beyond the vast majority of primary school pupils. I taught modern languages for 30 years and I know that even secondary school pupils find it difficult to grasp some of the concepts.

Why does anybody learning English need to know the difference between a subordinating and a coordinating conjunction? It matters in German, because the main verb in the subordinate clause is sent to the end, but it really doesn't matter in English. There is no point in teaching the terminology until it's needed.

Primary school should be for embedding the main parts of speech, punctuation and use of capital letters, etc.

Cosafina Sun 17-Apr-16 14:58:14

90%, but then I did spend 6 years teaching English as a foreign language

helmacd Sun 17-Apr-16 14:49:43

80% Am all in favour of grammar being taught; (SATs is another matter). Grammar aids powerful and precise writing as well as being really useful when learning another language. It also aids comprehension when going on to further studies where one often has to read really complex sentences and extract the meaning from them.
You wouldn't teach dressmaking without teaching the basic rules of how to sew seams, use a machine, make darts etc, and grammar is simply the foundation which enables us all to speak and write coherently and effectively.

Mamie Sun 17-Apr-16 14:48:59

What I do find quite funny is that nobody seems to remember the five page discussion we had when I posted the same test in January. grin
www.gransnet.com/forums/education/1222729-For-those-who-say-that-children-dont-learn-grammar-any-more

daphnedill Sun 17-Apr-16 14:39:36

Modal verbs

learnenglish.britishcouncil.org/en/english-grammar/verbs/modal-verbs

daphnedill Sun 17-Apr-16 14:38:02

Words like 'the', a(n), 'this', 'my/your, etc', 'any', etc.

michellehargreaves Sun 17-Apr-16 14:32:28

70%. What the hell are " determiners "?

grandMattie Sun 17-Apr-16 14:15:11

I got 70% well supported by my French background where we did heaps of grammar. Was flummoxed by modal verbs and determiners etc... Terminology ain't what it used to be! grin

MaryXYX Sun 17-Apr-16 13:45:32

I got 70% and I think the other three were things that have different names now.

milkflake Sun 17-Apr-16 13:36:51

I can only echo what jinglbellsfrocks has said!

Thingmajig Sun 17-Apr-16 12:49:15

60% and mostly by guesswork ... didn't teach English like that back in the day! It was one of my better subjects too, so maybe I should be ashamed? smile

annodomini Sun 17-Apr-16 11:23:36

I was a grammar freak at school 60+ years ago) and always came top in tests; I taught English for nearly 40 years (though mainly Lit) and I still only scored 80% in that test. I don't know where i went wrong! As for the maths - forget it!

merlotgran Sun 17-Apr-16 10:54:37

Well they are now, daphnedill

DD, who sent me the link, says the kids take it all in their stride and was amused to hear one of her class, who was standing in the lunch queue, tell the dinner lady that 'Mild Madras Curry' was an oxymoron. grin

Gold star for him!!

daphnedill Sun 17-Apr-16 09:27:19

Terms such as 'subordinating conjunction', 'relative clause', 'modal verb' and 'past progressive' (or any synonyms for them) have, in my experience, never been taught at primary level.

tanith Sun 17-Apr-16 09:10:10

I am just too nice it seems grin that's my excuse anyway...wink

mashable.com/2016/04/15/grammar-obsessed-personality-study/?utm_cid=mash-com-fb-main-link#5KIQahWW8PqI

carerof123 Sun 17-Apr-16 08:46:39

I have never heard of many of terms used in this quiz!!!!

Obviously i can not support my grand children with any of their school work.

I always prided myself on using grammar and punctuation correctly when i was at work.

Many of my younger colleagues would laugh at me for being so particular until i explained how use of punctuation could change the context of sentence.

Now i feel i need to have English lessons again to keep up!!!!!

Witzend Sun 17-Apr-16 07:48:05

60% here - a lot of the terminology has changed since my day! That's my excuse, anyway!

Does seem excessive for that age - a complete turnaround from when grammar was a dirty word.

My dds (now mid-late 30s) went to very good schools, but weren't taught much in the way of grammar until they began to learn foreign languages - French, Latin and German were all compulsory for the first 2 or 3 years of senior school. But I remember having to explain to dd1 what an indirect object was, when it came up in German.

I would def. have to read up on this if ever helping Gd with her homework in a few years...

tiredoldwoman Sun 17-Apr-16 04:27:15

I only scored 30% . I didn't have a clue - I've got an O grade and Higher Grade English but it was never like this ? Woe is me .