Classism and accent prejudice in our universities

Except Elegran Durham University is a classy one!
It was always oversubscribed, just as much as Oxford Cambridge and Bristol are /were.

I do agree though that the media are always on high alert for a story on ‘class division’.

Divide and conquer, that is the game. Thousands of students are ignored while they just get on with attending lectures and tutorials with whoever else is on the course, and spend their leisure time socialising with whover they have made friends with without wasting it criticising those from other backgrounds. A privileged few without the brains to get into a "classy" uni, who make fun of the students in their college with more intelligence and varied normal "inferior" accents, get the publicity. Result - the media makes us believe that ALL students in those colleges are pompous and insulting p***ks

We were a mixed group of Londoners, Birmingham and largely Devonians (Londoners in the management positions). We were a happy team in the late 60's, when anything seemed possible. I was one of many young hippies who decided south Devon was the place to be. I was the only on in our team who was born and lived in a northern mill town. No one seemed to have been north of Birmingham so my origins were a curiosity. The name was affectionate, not excluding. It certainly was not a power thing. When I moved back to the north west, several people from the team kept in touch. It was lovely to open one gift,to find an early Devon primrose had been lovingly packed for me.

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Iam Maybe you were lucky at Manchester. I was always referred to as Trouble at't'mill when working in a large company in Devon in 1968. Many of the head office staff, where I was based, were from London. My northern accent wasn't particularly strong

I don’t think I was lucky - I think everyone just accepted the fact that students had come to Manchester from all over the country and indeed from overseas, we were more interested in our new-found freedom and what was going on in the world. There was a sense of solidarity with other people of our own age & rebelling against the generation who had gone before us, rather than picking on people who seemed different.
Can I ask how you felt about being referred to as Trouble at t’Mill? Did it upset you or did you shrug it off? I think a work environment is a bit different from a university one - in a student community there shouldn’t be a power thing as there might be in a large organisation.

I’m just interested in why this generation of students behaves like this.

Some truth in that Callistemon but, this was a large American company. They had staff from a 30 mile area and we had work busses(free) to take us to and from

Sorry, Plymouth City Council!

Maybe you were lucky at Manchester. I was always referred to as Trouble at't'mill when working in a large company in Devon in 1968. Many of the head office staff, where I was based, were from London.
You wuz lucky to get a job in Devon, me lover!
I was told I'd never get a job down there because I wuz a furriner, being from up North! That was from the man in charge of recruitment for Plymouth County Council.
So I bypassed him and did get a job with the Council anyway.

Don't be fooled, it's not always the " Tarquin's " who are brainy, in fact when it comes to down to earth common sense they're as thick as two short planks.

It matters not to me what sort of an accent anyone has.

It’s not a question of trust or class it’s being understood, in fact having a “plummy” upper class accent is likely to cause bias against you.
Just as much in the schoolyard, socially or at work, we all remember Moira Stewart, she had to work really hard to improve her accent and got the job as a top news presenter for the BBC in the days where there was open prejudice.

It was frustrating at University to begin with when any comment I made in lectures or tutorials was met with a chorus of "Ooh Argh" on account of my rural accent.
One lecturer said to be "Where do you think you'll get a job with an accent like that?" to which I replied "Norfolk".

I don't think it ever hindered me in getti g a job I really wanted though. Even though I never went back to work in Norfolk?

I disagree Davidhs some regional accents are in high demand in call centres as they are more "trusted" .To be honest I never heard the word Class when I was growing up in post war Glasgow ,we were all weegies and some may have had a slightly different accent or a bigger house but we were all friends .The only person I remember being prejudiced against any of us was our French teacher and old nun ,who toadied to the daughters of Doctors and Lawyers and talked down to the rest of us.It taught me a lesson early in life.I have never treated anyone differently regardless of background or accent .I dont toady to anyone,have done weddings for the children of Dukes and Earls and they sat in my reception area the same as wee Joe who worked in a local factory .I cannot abode snobbery or classism .The world would be better off without it,the system in the UK ofeeds it with handing out "honours" which are nothing of the sort just a way to enable people to feel they are somehow superior to the rest of us .

Being realistic, having to fight prejudice won't help anyone, either.

Be realistic, a broad Geordie, Scouse, Brummie or West Country accent is not going to help any student in their working career. There is nothing wrong with regional influence but you do need to be understandable if you are going to need to communicate effectively.
I get really frustrated with having to deal with Indian call centers that are speaking English in a completely different way, many broad British accents are not much better.

Is this really a big thing or an exaggeration ( as are so many tales out there)?
I would have thought there is nothing like the class prejudice today in Universities that existed say, in the 1950’s or even 60’s.Since so many now to go University from state schools they vastly outnumber those privately educated.
Learning to deal with what the world throws at you is part of the learning process and students can’t be wrapped in cotton wool. Back in the day at Uni, DH would have decked anyone who objected to his accent.?

Can't say I'm at all surprised.
This kind of behaviour is played out everywhere, unless it's dealt with.

The class/accent prejudice at Durham university is severe enough for their Vice Chancellor to treat student complaints seriously. Students who are from the North East are complaining that their accents, and the fact that they are from working class families, are treated with derision and insults by students from more affluent areas of the country. Students from disadvantaged backgrounds come in for a particularly hard time, they felt like an outcast because of their background; were told their families must be on benefits; were accused of being common, vulgar and uneducated.

DS is an academic in one of the universities named. He said that the whole thing is wildly exagerated. There is a small group of posh students who did this, may be a couple of dozen in a university with nearly 20,000 students. It just makes a succulent story for those who indulge in this kind of class prejudice - it can go both ways.

Back in my student days in the 1960s, in a good solid predominantly technically based northern university, we had a similar small coterie of public school boys, all too thick to get into Oxbridge, despite their impeccable education. We had a guy from Eton on our course. Nobody took much notice of them, they weren't relevant even then, they certainly not relevant now, they should be put in a museum.

Maybe you were lucky at Manchester. I was always referred to as Trouble at't'mill when working in a large company in Devon in 1968. Many of the head office staff, where I was based, were from London. My northern accent wasn't particularly strong. We moved around the northwest when I was a child and my mother strongly discouraged us picking up the local accent, which we did to fit in. Her message was if you have a broad Lancashire accent, people won't think you're clever and you are.
I often wonder if Johnson delivered his rambling ummm ahhh speeches in Manc or Wigan, whether he'd be dismissed as thick