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Nanof3 Wed 07-Jul-21 09:12:16

This morning the BBC showed a large number of school children aged about 11 singing a song they had learnt to show their support for the football.
So many of these children will have lost months of schooling and have a lot of catching up to do before they break up for the summer holidays.
It smacks of indoctrination to me that nothing is regarded as more important than football. Not all children are sport fans including one of my grandsons who would have been bored and resentful if he was forced to take part in such a waste of time and effort.

Yorki Thu 08-Jul-21 22:40:24

Nanof3.. I see no harm in sinking this football song, its nice to see children happy. Happiness is the best tonic for a lot of ailments both physically and mentally, kids amongst the rest of us have had a hard time, give them a break. Singing and happy children does my heart good, asking as they're not using extreme swearwords. ??

Callistemon Thu 08-Jul-21 22:26:43

We sang English, Irish, Welsh, Scottish and French songs at primary school and American folk songs and some in Latin as well at senior school.
And sea shanties - Bobby Shafto's gone to sea

Gaudeamus Igitur!
Oh, Shenandoah

We didn't sing any pop songs.

CarrieAnn Thu 08-Jul-21 22:05:31

It wasn't a football song or a song about football,it was Sweet Caroline as originally sung by Neil Diamond.The children were enjoying it immensely their smiles were a joy to behold

Deedaa Thu 08-Jul-21 19:54:35

All the talk of singing at school reminds me of our school song at an all girls grammar school. For reasons that are beyond me we used to sing "40 Years On" the song of Harrow School! I have no idea what we were supposed to make of "The tramp of the 22 Men" and "Follow up, follow up, follow up, follow up" meant nothing at all to us. I'm sure there must have been inspiring songs that were slightly more suitable for teenage girls.

Yammy Thu 08-Jul-21 19:35:00

I remember a lot of songs from Primary school. We had a radio programme every Friday morning and a pamphlet with the songs in. It was good fun, except I sing like an old crow and had to sit with the boys.
When I asked DH if he had the same programme he started singing "Yanky Doodle Dandy" and Hearts of oak".Songs he had learned from the same programme.

Lucca Thu 08-Jul-21 19:26:16

Ayse. Absolutely !

Chewbacca Thu 08-Jul-21 18:22:50

I've been teaching GD, aged 8, to sing The Quartermaster's Song. Not the version we used to sing on the school bus though!

ayse Thu 08-Jul-21 18:22:07

My grandchildren have been at home since last Thursday doing home schooling. It’s very challenging for 6 year olds.

I’m not a football fan and they had a lesson this afternoon around football. Apart from discussing who scored the goals a map of Europe was put on line for them to see. They were asked which countries had taken part and were shown via cursor where those countries were situated. Their homework was to draw either an England flag or Union flag and then find out 3 facts about Harry Kane. They then had to wrote 3 sentences about these facts.

It was certainly a learning experience for them.

It just shows how any experience or sport can be transformed into a learning opportunity.

Callistemon Thu 08-Jul-21 17:49:04

I could sing in French at primary school too:

Frère Jacques
Frère Jacques
Dormez-vous
Dormez-vous
Sonnez les matines
Sonnez les matines
Ding, dang, dong
Ding, dang, dong

Callistemon Thu 08-Jul-21 17:45:23

Chewbacca

Like many others, I suspect, I was a member of our all girls school netball team and we often went by school bus to play against the posh high school in the next town. We used to sing Alouette, Gentille Alouette at the top of our voices, whether we'd won or lost! (We were a lot like St Trinians!) grin

I think I remember you, I was at the posh girls' high school. and in the netball team.

I was the one who wasn't posh

Callistemon Thu 08-Jul-21 17:43:16

Kim19 I could join you in the singing and GN would be deserted!!

Kim19 Thu 08-Jul-21 17:15:58

Call, believe me you WOULDN'T like to hear me sing. I can ruin even the best of songs. My heart is happy so I'll settle for that.

Chewbacca Thu 08-Jul-21 17:12:32

Now that's a blast from the past 25Avalon!

25Avalon Thu 08-Jul-21 16:59:25

I can remember ‘Singing Together’ at primary school. Some of the songs were very non pc especially ‘polywollydoodle’. It is very singable and I have to stop myself from one verse in particular.

Chewbacca Thu 08-Jul-21 16:57:31

Like many others, I suspect, I was a member of our all girls school netball team and we often went by school bus to play against the posh high school in the next town. We used to sing Alouette, Gentille Alouette at the top of our voices, whether we'd won or lost! (We were a lot like St Trinians!) grin

Grandma70s Thu 08-Jul-21 16:47:03

I did lots and lots of singing at school, but we sang good music, lovely folk songs and hymns (never mind the religious content and concentrate on the tunes and often beautiful words). We sang Jerusalem in junior school, and Purcell and Schubert when a bit older. Not football songs - though in a girls’ school I suppose it would have been lacrosse songs - no such thing, I’m sure!

GrannyGravy13 Thu 08-Jul-21 16:42:58

Chewbacca

Nanof3 Without schoolchildren being encouraged to engage in sports any sport will do, it doesn't have to be football we face an epidemic of obesity related diseases; diabetes being just one. I can't address your assertion that football is being rammed down their throats because I've seen zero evidence of this in my GC's schools. As far as I'm aware, netball, rounders, cricket, rugby, swimming and lacrosse are all available for any pupil to have a go at. Singing whilst doing it is optional. wink

Totally agree Chewbacca our 6yr old GC goes into school at 8am once a week for archery, he loves it.

All the GC do multiple sports activities at their schools not just team games all geared towards a healthy body and mind.

Lucca Thu 08-Jul-21 16:42:25

Nanof3

Well I seem to have stirred up a lot of posters who have taken umbrage at my view that football, or any other sport for that matter, should not be rammed down children's throats.
I know that my GS would not have enjoyed being part of such an activity and I recall my DS when having to take part in any such performance standing at the back looking totally bored opening and closing his mouth in time to the music in silent protest. He also is not a football fan but went on to do very well in martial arts.

Because your son and grandson didn’t like singing or sport, it shouldn’t happen ?

Football etc is not rammed down children’s throats, sorry but that’s a ridiculous statement

Chewbacca Thu 08-Jul-21 16:29:37

Nanof3 Without schoolchildren being encouraged to engage in sports any sport will do, it doesn't have to be football we face an epidemic of obesity related diseases; diabetes being just one. I can't address your assertion that football is being rammed down their throats because I've seen zero evidence of this in my GC's schools. As far as I'm aware, netball, rounders, cricket, rugby, swimming and lacrosse are all available for any pupil to have a go at. Singing whilst doing it is optional. wink

Callistemon Thu 08-Jul-21 15:57:54

Well I seem to have stirred up a lot of posters who have taken umbrage at my view that football, or any other sport for that matter, should not be rammed down children's throats.

Perhaps the same could be said of maths, physics, English, history, geography, comparative religions, etc and, where we live, Welsh ........

The list could be very long.

Nanof3 Thu 08-Jul-21 15:53:58

Well I seem to have stirred up a lot of posters who have taken umbrage at my view that football, or any other sport for that matter, should not be rammed down children's throats.
I know that my GS would not have enjoyed being part of such an activity and I recall my DS when having to take part in any such performance standing at the back looking totally bored opening and closing his mouth in time to the music in silent protest. He also is not a football fan but went on to do very well in martial arts.

Callistemon Thu 08-Jul-21 15:33:42

Come buy my caller herring'

I think all school children should sing this one but first we have to get you to sing it to us, Kim19 ????
(I've never heard of it)

GrannyGravy13 Thu 08-Jul-21 15:24:50

The small primary school near us has sent an email to parents to say that the school gates will be open at normal time on Monday, they will then re-open at 10.30am so that those children that have stayed up to watch the Final on Sunday evening can have extra time in bed.

Parents have to notify the school ASAP as to what time their child shall be starting school that day. (our 6yr old GC will be going in at the later time, better to miss one lesson than be overtired throughout the day)

Chardy Thu 08-Jul-21 15:09:48

Some of these children have had teachers who didn’t want to work from home or do screen work. Some of these children have not been well served by our country - by some precious teachers who don’t want to go the extra mile LovelyLady
Teachers do what they're told by the management of the school. 'Precious teachers' would've been on a verbal warning then a written warning 15 months ago if they'd not been doing what was asked.
Extra mile? Many have been teaching classes, covering for absent colleagues and coping with teaching the pupils at home with Zoom and/or paper.

Shortlegs Thu 08-Jul-21 14:40:37

Nanof3: It was a bit of fun, lighten up. Indoctrination is, surely, if they are force fed religious babble.