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Nanof3 Wed 07-Jul-21 09:12:16

This morning the BBC showed a large number of school children aged about 11 singing a song they had learnt to show their support for the football.
So many of these children will have lost months of schooling and have a lot of catching up to do before they break up for the summer holidays.
It smacks of indoctrination to me that nothing is regarded as more important than football. Not all children are sport fans including one of my grandsons who would have been bored and resentful if he was forced to take part in such a waste of time and effort.

Lilypops Sat 10-Jul-21 08:18:51

It’s nearer the end of the school term , children have a lot of fun usually doing plays etc , they have missed so much , missed their school friends when having to stay home, a lot will be school leavers who won’t be able to have the usual end of term activities, proms etc, My daughters are not allowed to go and attend the leaving assembly at school because of COVID rules,
So learning a football, song and having a bit of fun time , what’s wrong with that ,

Lucca Sat 10-Jul-21 07:59:42

H1954

Has no one acknowledged the concept of patriotism?

Expand please ? I’m not sure I understand your question!

nanna8 Sat 10-Jul-21 01:23:58

Don’t poke the bear H1954!

Callistemon Sat 10-Jul-21 00:34:53

H1954

Has no one acknowledged the concept of patriotism?

I don't think Sweet Caroline is a particularly patriotic English song!

geekesse Fri 09-Jul-21 16:15:19

H1954

Has no one acknowledged the concept of patriotism?

I’m with Samuel Johnson on that one…

Chewbacca Fri 09-Jul-21 15:52:21

Has no one acknowledged the concept of patriotism?

You like living dangerously H1954! grin

MerylStreep Fri 09-Jul-21 14:41:08

H1954
Best not go there with that word on GN.
There lies danger ?

H1954 Fri 09-Jul-21 14:35:37

Has no one acknowledged the concept of patriotism?

Chewbacca Fri 09-Jul-21 10:32:38

Your Baby 'as gone down the plug'ole excellent trisher, I'd forgotten about that one so that's another for the repertoire! The Old Woman Who Swallowed A Fly is their current favourite.

trisher Fri 09-Jul-21 10:07:28

Chewbacca

I've been teaching GD, aged 8, to sing The Quartermaster's Song. Not the version we used to sing on the school bus though!

My GCs think "AnyOld Iron?"is hilarious. It's replaced "Your Baby 'as gone down the plug'ole" as their favourite Granny song.
I was thinking about the indocrination ofchildren about football in schools. I know nothing about football and it was usually the children telling me about it. Children do have homes and they learn from their families and communities as much, or more, than they do their school.

Lucca Fri 09-Jul-21 09:56:58

Chardy

Because they start earlier, or have a 2x20 minute breaks but no lunch hour.
According to
^House of Commons BRIEFING PAPER
Number 07148, 24 March 2021
The School Day and Year
(England)^
The accepted norm in England is 25 hours for primary, 27.5 hrs secondary

Are you sure ? I thought the day was shorter because the teachers and their dreadful unions were idle layabouts who all lounged around at home during the pandemic lockdowns and with huge long holidays and massive salaries.

Chardy Fri 09-Jul-21 09:42:04

Because they start earlier, or have a 2x20 minute breaks but no lunch hour.
According to
^House of Commons BRIEFING PAPER
Number 07148, 24 March 2021
The School Day and Year
(England)^
The accepted norm in England is 25 hours for primary, 27.5 hrs secondary

Yammy Fri 09-Jul-21 09:21:11

My DH's school had a school song that none of them understood until they were older,
One line went" Where Scottish Mary sought the land and Cuthbert sought the sea."
It was about Mary Queen of Scots fleeing to England but the Cuthbert got him for years until I explained they had taken St. Cuthbert's body to the west coast of England to try and get it to Ireland away from the invading Vikings.
Mt funniest memories of singing at school were in Assembly, we were singing "Onward Christian Soldiers" and all the boys started marching on the spot. The other is we sang a lot of Gilbert and Sullivan our music teacher did not have much control and three big lads used to ask to stand up and sing"Three Little maids from school are we", I seem to remember they were the props from the rugby team.
Singing makes everyone happy even if you can't sing. I sang with a very deep voice so was always with the boys.
Years later in digs with some other girls my then to be DH unexpectantly came to see me and I wasn't in. My friends said I had gone out after singing Shirley Bassey's "Big spender in the bath". They said his retort was "Well she isn't looking for me then".

nanna8 Fri 09-Jul-21 09:14:44

I went to primary school in London and we had singing every single day. Farewell Manchester, Welsh National Anthem, Bobby Shaftoe, What shall we do with the drunken sailor, etc etc. I still remember the words today. You can’t read and write and do arithmetic all day long. I regret that they don’t sing enough these days.

silverlining48 Fri 09-Jul-21 09:10:48

We didn’t come out of senior school til 4, children are walking home anytime from 2 here.

Shropshirelass Fri 09-Jul-21 09:01:22

I thought it was brilliant for them to take part especially after all of the restrictions they have had. Music and singing makes people happy and is part of the curriculum, happy children learn more easily. Win, Win for me.

Boris is considering extending the school day, I think this is a good idea, it is now much shorter than when I was at school, not sure why?

NotSpaghetti Fri 09-Jul-21 08:54:09

MerylStreep
Hello,
Here I am, so called ^Fun sponge^

Why do you think I care if children miss school?
My objection was to making children take sides

Irrelevant.

MerylStreep Fri 09-Jul-21 08:39:41

Here’s another feel good story for the fun sponges.
Read and weep.

www.sportbible.com/football/community-take-a-bow-news-school-encourages-kids-to-enjoy-england-vs-italy-on-sunday-night-20210708

Ellianne Fri 09-Jul-21 07:50:22

Look at it this way, due to covid the children won't be spending time rehearsing for their musical performance at the end of the school year. Instead the teacher chose a football song to fill the gap. The actual skills the kids acquired doing this are pretty similar, just different content.

Caro57 Fri 09-Jul-21 07:37:22

We don’t know what went on in the preparation for the performance. Singing is good for wellness and prep could incorporate English, math and geography as well as other topics.

Treetops05 Fri 09-Jul-21 01:30:50

They are 'breaking children in gently', not throwing them in at the deep end of intensive learning. Please believe that teachers know what they are doing...rather than thrusting 'indoctrination' into the midst of childrens education.

Lucca Thu 08-Jul-21 23:56:15

Callistemon

Really Lucca?

Did the girls sing that to him?
Did he join the Navy?

Yes really !

Callistemon Thu 08-Jul-21 23:48:22

Really Lucca?

Did the girls sing that to him?
Did he join the Navy?

Lucca Thu 08-Jul-21 22:43:33

Callistemon

We sang English, Irish, Welsh, Scottish and French songs at primary school and American folk songs and some in Latin as well at senior school.
And sea shanties - Bobby Shafto's gone to sea

Gaudeamus Igitur!
Oh, Shenandoah

We didn't sing any pop songs.

I went to school with a Bobby shaftoe!

Yorki Thu 08-Jul-21 22:42:16

Sorry for any typos