Why do British royal children not go to state schools like the Scandanavian royals?

I'm sorry, that's just funny.

Universal education and no favouritism is "totalitarianism".

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Callistemon21

volver

Well segregating education according to your ability to pay certainly isn't the answer.

Let's take it to an extreme then:
Everyone should earn the same amount
Everyone should live in exactly the same type of home
We should all wear tunic style suits of the same colour
No-one should own a better car than anyone else
In fact, the state should issue everyone with a bike.

You are spectacularly missing the point, are you doing it on purpose?

Its education, the thing that governs your whole life, not a nice dress you can buy if you can afford it.

Its education, the thing that governs your whole life, not a nice dress you can buy if you can afford it.
That's not totally true.
Back to the revered NCDS survey, because we were followed throughout adulthood it was found that inspite of the odds, children who have had a disadvantaged upbringing and a poor or patchy education can and DO overcome this and turn into high flyers in their own fields.
Not everything is measured by exam results and academic achievement thank goodness.

Callistemon21
if every child is educated in the state system then you retain a group of parents who are likely to be deeply invested in their children's education.

I can't believe I read that!

I wish I couldn’t believe I read that either, but it’s evidently a viewpoint and I’m not really surprised by it.

It implies that parents who choose state education, in any country, even by default are not deeply interested in education.

There are millions of children in state education whose parents are invested in making sure their children receive a good education.

Even so, can we prove that no parent would ever send their child to a private school if they had the choice?
GNs can post here that we wouldn’t, or didn’t, but that doesn’t mean that no parent would.

Joseanne

^Its education, the thing that governs your whole life, not a nice dress you can buy if you can afford it^.
That's not totally true.
Back to the revered NCDS survey, because we were followed throughout adulthood it was found that inspite of the odds, children who have had a disadvantaged upbringing and a poor or patchy education can and DO overcome this and turn into high flyers in their own fields.
Not everything is measured by exam results and academic achievement thank goodness.

Aye, whatever.

volver

I'm sorry, that's just funny.

Universal education and no favouritism is "totalitarianism".

???

I'm glad I cheered you up.

Its education, the thing that governs your whole life, not a nice dress you can buy if you can afford it.

No dresses, just tunic- style suits.

Its education, the thing that governs your whole life

A lot of factors influence your life, education is an important part but not the total.

Like I said...

Aye whatever.

Moreover, I don't think any parent sending their child to an independent school is expecting to buy their child a brain.

This from today's Times "Rude Pupils driving out teachers says strict head", a former head teacher nicknamed Britain's strictest has stated children's habitual rude and aggressive behaviour was causing teachers to leave the profession in droves. He added we can't have the children running schools, there is a power struggle where if kids think they stand a chance they will push it, take liberties and be extremely rude. This is from Barry Smith who took over a failing school in Norfolk and relaunched it as The Great Yarmouth Charter Academy, although some of his rules such as sick children not being able to leave the room and given buckets in which to vomit sound positively Dickensian. Nevertheless, I think it's fair comment that teachers, particularly at senior level, in the schools that fail to get a handle on disruption and rudeness leave the teachers demoralised and questioning why they ever considered teaching in the first place when so much of their time is given over to what amounts to crowd control. Unfortunately, in the case of boys, I believe, some ,once they reach adolescence and beyond would respond far better to male teachers, but as we know they are so thin on the ground and that's a whole different discussion. I'm imagining this is possibly not the case in the private sector or for that matter the ongoing disruption that is part of the fabric of school life in some establishments
a result of an aggregate of different factors, as mentioned up thread under funding of course but a myriad of social problems.

I think the whole question of insulting people's choices with regard to state and private sectors, this goes both ways. Those I have experienced in real life, not on GN, have on occasions been so casually blase in retrospect almost breathtaking. This was a conversation I had bring to a conclusion abruptly but stuck in my mind from some lunch being thrown by a client a couple of miles from where we lived in West London. Woman to me "so where do you live" me "name of town" her "oh yes I know "the" school there" because I already had the measure of her I knew exactly the one she had in mind a prep school very close to my house. her "I can't remember the name of it, it's on the tip of my tongue" so I went through every school in the town bar that one, her "no! no! no!" to all my suggestions, me "is it a special school?" her completely missing that point "oh yes it's terribly special" and then she remembers it and because she was so boringly predictable in naming the very one I had in mind, I just responded with a flat toned "never heard of it" her "oh but you must have done it's the only school in your town that has anything to offer" me "they all have something to offer perhaps not what you had in mind bye!"

The neighbour who introduced herself to me when we first moved to our house, assuming we, like her were putting our children into said nearby prep school turned out to be a teacher who taught in the state sector. I got invited to a coffee morning at her place and because it was a Macmillan one raising money for cancer I reluctantly went, by that time I'd worked out she wasn't my type. There I met some of her friends, by this time I had my child in the nursery attached to the state infant school we had his name down for. A couple of these women also had their children in that nursery different session to mine but then blithely let me know that they would be withdrawing their children before they went into reception because they were down for a private school, but as a sop no doubt to me they did say "the nursery nevertheless is frightfully good isn't it" No conscience whatsoever about taking the place at a nursery intended for the children going into the school it was attached to, during the course of our conversation they felt the need to point out that the school wouldn't meet their expectations

Anyway, before I go...

If education isn't really that important, why are people so proud of the fact they give things up and work two jobs just so that little Johnny can go to fee-paying school?

See?! You did it again. You took someone I wrote, turned it inside out and on its head and deliberately misconstrued it.
But I know I'm not alone.

It's not what I said

Ah well, I'll leave you to gallop off on your high horse.
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Joseanne

Moreover, I don't think any parent sending their child to an independent school is expecting to buy their child a brain.

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Is that you Britney?

Here's something educational for everyone...

A post doesn't always refer to you and you alone. Paranoia is not a good look.

Callistemon21

Joseanne

Moreover, I don't think any parent sending their child to an independent school is expecting to buy their child a brain.

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No, not a brain, just an unfair chance in life that less well of people can't have.

Really, I must go. ?

I can't believe that anyone who read my posts properly can imagine that I actually think that only the parents paying for private education care about their children's education. Perhaps "invested" was a bit too subtle. How about "if you have the sharp-elbowed, pushy parents involved it may help your school get the resources it needs".
Does that help?
(I don't think that is true of all parents in independent schools either but you get the gist).

No, it doesn't really

If you have an enthusiastic Parents Association which raises money to help schools buy extra resources to those provided by the state it's a good thing.
Added value.

Some, of course, may be Queen Bees but every hive needs a Queen Bee.

No, not a brain, just an unfair chance in life that less well of people can't have.

But, according to some, it can be a miserable and traumatic experience which causes psychological problems throughout life.

Not much of a chance.

volver: Anyway, before I go...

If education isn't really that important, why are people so proud of the fact they give things up and work two jobs just so that little Johnny can go to fee-paying school?

Who has said that education isn’t really that important Volver? I must have missed that post.

V: Really, I must go. ?

OK

So the dinner is on and cooking, and I'm back for a while. I know people often get very agitated if you say you're going and then just pop up again unexpectedly...

This thread is littered with posts saying things like, it doesn't buy you a brain, it can be a miserable and traumatic experience, the important thing is the intake, the most important thing is the parents’ attitude, it doesn’t all depend on education, you can succeed in other ways.

So, it’s very nice but it’s not that important really, its other things that are important.

I’m sorry if I haven’t quoted verbatim, please don’t tell me that’s not what you said, I already know. One thing I learned at my (not fee paying) school was how to paraphrase and precis. (But not how to make accents on GN )

I learnt that too but it was always emphasised that the original meaning should remain clear and unchanged.

I'd just like to see enough money invested in education to create state schools that have the same class sizes and offer the same opportunities and conditions that exist in private schools. Then we could see how many parents would still want to pay.
Ain't gonna happen of course. A good standard of education might lead to all sorts of radical ideas.

Class sizes of 20 in state schools would be a great start Glorianny. Plus an assistant or two per class.
But where will the money come from for additional specialist teachers to teach music, languages, dance etc? What about comparable real estate with a swimming pool, playing fields, onsite theatre or drama studio trips abroad etc? And I'm talking KS1 and KS2 here, not even secondary.

So we can't get away from the fact that parents will still want to pay because these value added extras cannot ever be offered in the state sector.

One of the worst acts of educational vandalism ever was to get rid of the wonderful peripatetic music service. Unforgiveable. I have worked for LAs with specialist peripatetic teachers of drama, dance and MFL. There is no money for any of them now.
When I left we had a school improvement team of 36 including Inspectors and Advisory Teachers for English, Maths, Science, ICT, Music, SEN and MFL. Where are they now?

Joseanne

Class sizes of 20 in state schools would be a great start Glorianny. Plus an assistant or two per class.
But where will the money come from for additional specialist teachers to teach music, languages, dance etc? What about comparable real estate with a swimming pool, playing fields, onsite theatre or drama studio trips abroad etc? And I'm talking KS1 and KS2 here, not even secondary.

So we can't get away from the fact that parents will still want to pay because these value added extras cannot ever be offered in the state sector.

Well my LEA used to have wonderful music provision with peripatetic teachers who worked across a few schools. I was in a school in a council estate and we had trips to Stratford and Paris. Most of the cash strapped primaries I know do at least one residential. And I know of theatre and dance organisations who want to work with disadvantaged children for very little money,