Why do British royal children not go to state schools like the Scandanavian royals?

This is a statement that goes beyond an opinion, I'm afraid, and my opinion about it is not rude, sorry.

''I would guarantee that many who are complaining about the state schools rushed off to vote "Brixit" in the last election with no thought at all about what the party in power had done and would continue to do to schools''

I can't prove anything, and I am sure that despite your 'guarantee' there is no way you can prove this is correct.

Anecdotes are anecdotes. In my experience, I have far more relatives and acquaintances who did vote for Brexit who send their children to private schools. And far more who voted remain, who are passionate about all children deserving a good education.

Again, anecdotally- in my experience, teachers who teach in State Schools are normally totally dedicated to the job, and have to deal with children, and problems related to those children, that most teachers in private schools just would not be able to handle.

Anecdotally too, I know many teachers who just could not cope with teaching in state schools, due to huge class size, with students who have many SN and other issues, and difficulties with discipline, who opted out to go and teach in private schools for an 'easy' life - I never blamed them.

Fleur in my experience there are also problems relating to children in the private sector that most teachers in state schools might not be able to handle either. Things like homesickness and bedtime tears at boarding school, also many services children's fears when their parents are away for months on end, unrealistic expectations from pushy parents and excessive pressure etc. It isn't an easier option teaching in a private schools, just different.
As I said before, teachers in both settings usually do their very best. The pastoral care in independent schools is of the highest standard.

Oh yes, I am fully aware of all the above. Seen them with my own eyes. But it's just not 'comparable'- as there are finances to get professional outside help, and the class sizes are so much smaller. Oh and holidays so much longer too.

As said, I have extensive experience of both systems.

Chnges from school to school, but many teachers in the private sector, have never been anywhere near a state school themselves. And vice-versa.

Fleurpepper

DaisyAnne

Fleurpepper

Mollygo

I hold the Conservatives responsible for allowing the referendum.
According to Google, around 75% of Conservative constituencies voted leave.
Interestingly, Googling also shows that the majority - 60% of Labour constituencies also voted for Leave.

Exactly- DaisyAnne should really do a bit of research before throwing accusations around.

I don't care if some Private/public Schools have polo facilities of golf courses- but I do care that every child should have access to a decent education, given in classes not over 25, and with rooves that don't fall on their heads.

That 7% (and yes, my own grand-children and close relatives over generations) do go and have gone to top Private and Public schools, including the best of boarding schools- and I have visited many.

Going back to GD's brilliant GCSE results- her exams were marked by outside examiners who had no idea that she has had 100% timetabled classes throughout Covid, has quiet space to work at home with her own computer and access to books and family who are specialists in most subjects. She has worked so hard- and we are so proud. But she is part of that 7% that has benefited from a massive advantage, because her parents can afford it.

Accusations? What accusations.

This onw, which is absolute nonsense

''I would guarantee that many who are complaining about the state schools rushed off to vote "Brixit" in the last election with no thought at all about what the party in power had done and would continue to do to schools''

That is not an accusation Fleurpepper. It has to be a fact. How else did the Conservatives get into power? 97% of children go to state schools. In many areas a majority of their parents must have voted Conservative for various reasons, including the main points the Conservatives were standing on. They put those reasons ahead of education as we knew what the Conservatives had been doing to it for 10 years.

You accused people who 'complain about state schools' being Brexiters'. Which is nonsense.

MayBee70

No. Some of us just think that every child has the right to do the best that they can educationally regardless of how well off their parents are. And as long as some people can afford to give their children the best education possible it won’t bother them that many children have to go to underfunded schools where they don’t have the opportunity to do certain subjects, may not have outside areas to play sports ( it was Thatcher, I believe, who started selling off school playing fields). When my daughter was still teaching (at a state school) at one point she didn’t even have a desk. There was a shortage of books. Plus there’s the cronyism that results in many government ministers going to the same private school. Childrens educational achievements should be based on their intellect not how rich their parents are. And if they’re not academic then everything should be done to help them discover what they are good at.

Why, MayBee do you think those who legally use both or a choice of systems don't "think that every child has the right to do the best that they can educationally regardless of how well off their parents are." When people reach for insults, it is usually because they have run out of arguments.

I will ask you the same question. What do you think 7% of parents can do that 97% can not? And do account for the fact that it is probably not 7% and 97%. Many in the 7% will be working for a government that will improve education for all. Possibly more effectively than at least some of the 97%.

Fleurpepper

You accused people who 'complain about state schools' being Brexiters'. Which is nonsense.

I did not "accuse" anyone of anything. Even from your bias, it must be obvious that some parents put other things ahead of education when they voted for a Conservative government. That will have included Brexit.

I have explained. You are simply determined to take offence. This suggests you find democratically putting Brexit ahead of education offensive. It isn't. I wouldn't do it but many did and they were entitled to do so. Where was education in that conversation about what was called, at the time, the Brexit election?

What do you think 7% of parents can do that 97% can not? And do account for the fact that it is probably not 7% and 97%. Many in the 7% will be working for a government that will improve education for all. Possibly more effectively than at least some of the 97%.

I'm wondering what kind of school teaches that 7% and 97% make 100%.

Joseanne

Fleur in my experience there are also problems relating to children in the private sector that most teachers in state schools might not be able to handle either. Things like homesickness and bedtime tears at boarding school, also many services children's fears when their parents are away for months on end, unrealistic expectations from pushy parents and excessive pressure etc. It isn't an easier option teaching in a private schools, just different.
As I said before, teachers in both settings usually do their very best. The pastoral care in independent schools is of the highest standard.

I saw a group of young children on a train obviously on their way to prep school. I just wanted to gather them in my arms and take them home with me. How any parent could send children of that age away to boarding school is beyond me. Was years ago but I can still see it now.

Yes that is true Joseanne, but teachers in some state schools will be dealing with children who are hungry, cold and living in poverty. That is not going to get any easier and with the impact of the energy crisis schools will certainly not have money to spare.

volver

^What do you think 7% of parents can do that 97% can not? And do account for the fact that it is probably not 7% and 97%. Many in the 7% will be working for a government that will improve education for all. Possibly more effectively than at least some of the 97%.^

I'm wondering what kind of school teaches that 7% and 97% make 100%.

I imagine that it is one where those running it do not feel so superior that they need to point out an obvious typing error. I can see that several of you are struggling to make a coherent argument. However, being childish won't make the one you offer sound any more substantial.

Each time I write a post, it goes through software to ensure posters can read it. It's tiring. It's just as tiresome as you are with your oh-so-clever comment. Unfortunately, it doesn't check figures previously typed correctly. I am sure your education was superior to the 12 schools I attended; but I still don't need it thrown at me.

I do not answer spiteful children, so will not be answering your posts on this thread any more volver, unless they are salient to the discussion.

Aw that's a sad image Maybee70 and I understand what you mean about wanting to gather them in your arms and take them home! I certainly wouldn't choose that for my children. I don't think William and Catherine want that either because it isn't conducive to a close family life. Their children will attend as day pupils but there is the facility to board if the parents are away on business.

I imagine that it is one where those running it do not feel so superior that they need to point out an obvious typing error.

A "typing error" made three times in three consecutive sentences?

One is unfortunate, two is a coincidence, three is a pattern.

It's ok, no answer required.

Mamie

Yes that is true Joseanne, but teachers in some state schools will be dealing with children who are hungry, cold and living in poverty. That is not going to get any easier and with the impact of the energy crisis schools will certainly not have money to spare.

No, you're right Mamie another very sad thought too.

What I was trying to say is that teaching in an independent school in itself might be "easier", but there are many other sides that make the job stressful and time consuming. The younger children want their teacher, and their teacher only, 24/7. The teacher is in loco parentis and the parents expect them to take responsibility for their child day and night. It can be mentally exhausting making the right decisions and it is difficult to switch off. I think there is a teacher on here who used to tell us about her heart to heart midnight talks with teenagers and I remember thinking how much she was giving of herself compared with a teacher at a state school.

But as I said, I don't feel it necessary to do all this comparative lark to maybe score points as to which teachers have an "easier" job. I am just telling it as it is, for those who maybe don't know. I don't know what the state system is really like for a teacher, (other than attending myself, as did one of my children, as do some of my GC.)

I sarthe typing error and thought, "oops, must have a quiet word with that silly pupil," but not put down the school she attended, state or private.

sarthe ??? Typing error! I'm in France! [ grin]

I saw the typing error 100 lines

Fleurpepper

And the accusation of 'dictating' or 'being a dictator' - how is saying that all children should get a decent, quality education amounts to that? Again, just nonsense.

Once again, this is an argument based on a lie. I have never said that it was dictating to others to say "all children should get a decent, quality education". I don't think anyone has said that. 'Dictatorship' within this discussion referred to stopping people from spending their own money to do what they believe will improve their children's lives.

If your points of discussion are fallacious, where is the argument? These posts are becoming more and more absurd. Your 'argument' that all privately funded schools should be closed is now only corroborated by childish personal attacks or the re-writing or misquoting of posts. You are only left, it appears, with misdirection. Reading recent posts trying to hold up this argument must make anyone wonder what substance it has. 'None' would be the obvious answer.

It is difficult isn't it. I have worked with teachers and teaching assistants who have provided breakfast and taken clothes home to wash. I think most of us have stayed awake worrying about our pupils.
In the end good teachers understand that knowing pupils and understanding their troubles is important, but our focus should always be on raising standards and helping them make good progress. That balance is sometimes hard.
I think the current situation is terrifying. I am hearing from friends about appalling bills for their schools and a massive level of cuts. Why on earth are schools excluded from the energy cap?

Just in case I get pulled up for not explaining my Boo Boo ........
Sarthe is a department of the French region of Pays de la Loire.

volver

^I imagine that it is one where those running it do not feel so superior that they need to point out an obvious typing error.^

A "typing error" made three times in three consecutive sentences?

One is unfortunate, two is a coincidence, three is a pattern.

It's ok, no answer required.

When is someone losing an argument?

When they can only correct the accuracy of your writing.

There is nothing, in that post, volver, that tells us anything about why independently funded schools should be banned. It is simply a nasty, personal attack on an obvious typing error. How low are you going to sink?

Joseanne

I sarthe typing error and thought, "oops, must have a quiet word with that silly pupil," but not put down the school she attended, state or private.

Typing errors are misspellings or grammatical mistakes. You don't make the same "typing error" three times in a thread discussing education while berating other posters for all manner of imagined things.

Just saying.

Mamie

It is difficult isn't it. I have worked with teachers and teaching assistants who have provided breakfast and taken clothes home to wash. I think most of us have stayed awake worrying about our pupils.
In the end good teachers understand that knowing pupils and understanding their troubles is important, but our focus should always be on raising standards and helping them make good progress. That balance is sometimes hard.
I think the current situation is terrifying. I am hearing from friends about appalling bills for their schools and a massive level of cuts. Why on earth are schools excluded from the energy cap?

It isn't difficult, but neither should it be personal. Closing independent schools, particularly at this point, will do nothing.

Getting this far-right, 'you only get what you pay for directly' government out, is the only answer. Those who have chosen to make this a personal battle are doing more harm than sending a child to a private school ever did. The only way to stop the stripping out of funding and facilities from schools is to change the government. Whatever schools a person or their children use is irrelevant.

I did it once! I did it in a letter berating parents for parking their cars in the lane on a date that wasn't even a school day because I typed the wrong number! Oops embarrassing!

volver

Joseanne

I sarthe typing error and thought, "oops, must have a quiet word with that silly pupil," but not put down the school she attended, state or private.

Typing errors are misspellings or grammatical mistakes. You don't make the same "typing error" three times in a thread discussing education while berating other posters for all manner of imagined things.

Just saying.

I think everyone can see your nasty little "just saying" for exactly what it is volver.

You have no arguments on the subject so resort to the 'personal attack and distract' losers pitch. Just keep going. All you do is show yourself for what you are. You have completely stopped making points to do with the discussion.