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Why university are always avoiding responsibility? And can’t be held accountable?

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s1helly Sat 03-Oct-26 11:47:28

Just by looking at all different incidents happened and had me thinking. University kind of becoming the breeding grounds for racism or harassment… the institution whether ignored the issue or just turns blind eyes on this, and there has no penalty for the ones who caused this, instead the person who filed the report are getting punished.

Oreo Sat 03-Oct-26 12:23:16

Universities appear to be scared of their own students.
There’s always some very left wing right-on types amongst the staff, cheering on all and every bit of wokery going.
Speakers being no platformed, Jewish students being ostracised and 18 year olds, laughingly called adults, believing men in dresses are women.

eazybee Sat 03-Oct-26 12:25:42

Students pay fees, that is their power. Plus many of the lecturers are young, inexperienced and barely out of University themselves.

Doodledog Sat 03-Oct-26 13:24:54

It's not clear what is being referenced in the OP (the rape in the US?), but as usual on the subject of universities there are sweeping generalisations.

Easybee is right that now that students pay hefty fees some of them can be very entitled, and IMO people of all generations can be very entitled these days anyway. Many parents are (to my mind) over-involved in their adult children's lives, and leave as though they are in nursery - constantly checking and asking for special treatment and exemptions from things that other students have to do. Education has become a financial transaction for some, and they stand on their 'rights' far more than in the past.

The other thing is that the National Student Survey (NSS) is given so much weight. Final year students are asked to complete it, some of whom are realising that not having attended or worked hard will mean they won't get the result they think they deserve, and can be quite vindictive when they fill it in. Only the actual scores are recorded, but staff see the comments, which can show things like 'coffee too expensive' or 'too many morning lectures' have been the drivers. also, there are times when students don't realise the importance of particular modules, as they haven't worked and seen how the skills are used in their profession, so IMO it would be better to ask them, say, three years after graduation.

They can be very aware of the power the NSS has, and it completely changes the dynamics of staff/student relations. Courses (and therefore jobs) can be cut if they consistently get lower scores.

Also, of course, all of society is getting more and more divided - possibly because of deliberate misinformation and attempts to destabilise us - so political factions have agendas to push. The most obvious one recently was the trans agenda, but there are also supporters of both sides on the middle east and other issues.

I'm not aware of any research into the political leanings of university staff, but my many years of experience certainly doesn't suggest that there are always left-wing right on types cheering on all and every wokery going. Not at all.

Maremia Sat 03-Oct-26 13:31:28

For a moment I thought this Thread was going to be about the accusation of gang r@pe by seven men in 2024, in the elite Cornel University in the USA.

Aveline Sat 03-Oct-26 13:31:41

While students pay hefty fees there's no doubt that some universities are extremely inefficiently run and this is greatly to the detriment of student education and learning. Eg constant strikes leading to papers not being marked, classes online not in person. Yesterday I heard about a university not able to provide promised (and paid for) courses as lecturers' contracts had not been agreed.
How are students supposed to feel about this?

nanna8 Sat 03-Oct-26 13:42:45

Maremia

For a moment I thought this Thread was going to be about the accusation of gang r@pe by seven men in 2024, in the elite Cornel University in the USA.

So did I. Not quite sure what it actually is about.

Ilovecheese Sat 03-Oct-26 14:35:07

I thought that it was about the Cornell rapists as well.
The response of the university was appalling, I certainly wouldn't call it woke.

blueblossom Sat 03-Oct-26 14:35:46

What specific case is s1helly actually referring to here? If someone reports racism or harassment and subsequently faces disadvantages as a result, that would be a different matter altogether in my view. I would, for the time being, view tuition fees, lecture timetables and generally dissatisfied students as separate issues.

In England, such a matter doesn’t necessarily have to end with the university. Since August 2025, specific guidelines on harassment and sexual misconduct have also been in force there. And if the complaint gets stuck in the internal process, there is still an independent body outside the university to which it can be referred.

Initially, however, such an incident still ends up with the university itself. Its own reputation is at stake here. Of course, an accused person must be treated fairly. But that doesn’t change the nature of this problem for the time being. It’s still odd, though, that the first stage of the process takes place within the university itself, of all places.

Aveline’s frustration over the fees is easier to understand. When paid face-to-face classes are constantly cancelled or promised courses simply don’t take place, at some point the question inevitably arises as to what exactly such high fees are actually being paid for.