Yes it is Yenifer!
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Today I have come across the same theme from EP/EGP's...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjn-ymF_LGg
This copied from another site:
And they wonder why they're still estranged.
From EP Facebook page.
"I DON’T GIVE A RAT’S (EXPLETIVE) WHAT ADULT ESTRANGED CHILDREN ARE THINKING.
You heard me. That’s a pretty strong statement, and it comes with some pretty strong feelings. After scanning the estrangement pages this morning, I am just so overwhelmed with sadness and anger for parents of EC’s, I needed to say something, and I wanted to make sure everybody heard me... so I put it in all caps.
I come to these communities and what I see are parents of all shapes and sizes with broken hearts pouring their guts out... parents that would do anything to have their children back in their lives. These are not bad people or abusers. These are not battle-hardened narcissists that want their children to suffer as they have. These are good people bearing unimaginable pain and hoping that something... anything they say will open a door and bring their children home.
So, you heard me. I am not interested in understanding adult estranged children.
I “get” them just fine. I don’t care why they do what they do, and I don’t care how unbelievable their actions are. I am not interested in their side of the story, and I am not interested in making them feel better. They are adults, they are creating this situation and they have plenty of “Dump Your Family Now” pages to help them feel better about the choice they have made.
I don’t care what estranged adult children are thinking.
I don’t care if there is a reason for their actions in their mind or not. I don’t care if their behavior is erratic and difficult to understand, or just downright cruel. I don’t care if Mommy and Daddy were imperfect humans and I don’t care if they never got that pony they wanted growing up. When a parent loves, cares, and tries, this stuff is inexcusable.
What I AM interested in is saving lives.
Your lives.
Because this stuff nearly killed me... and make no mistake, it can kill you too. Whether it’s your literal death through suicide, heart problems or diabetes from stress and other diseases, or the figurative death of your soul through long, slow, endless agonizing self- doubt, make no mistake this stuff can kill you.
IF YOU LET IT.
I think most people that know my writings by now know that I am a pretty sensitive person. But I am also unbelievably strong. But I didn’t start out that way... I earned it. through tears, pain and hellfire, I earned it. But the funny thing about hellfire is that it “Tempers” you. It makes you harder and stronger... you go into it red hot, but when you are done pouring a bucket of tears on it, the steel that is left is stronger than ever before. If you haven’t already, you are going to need to learn that strength as well.
I have said it many times. I don’t want any parent to ever go through what I have been through... and still, most of you already have. I was too late. But there is still something I can do. I can say this... over and over until it helps someone...
We all get down and depressed about our children’s choice, but you can’t stay there. You can’t. The world needs you. Stop the questions. You know the ones. We all miss our children. But your job was to raise them... not to die for them. That’s a futile sacrifice that will fall on deaf ears... and frankly, I believe it’s an affront to God to throw away your life... the beautiful gift that has been given you. Stop wasting it pining away for someone that couldn’t care less if you live or die.
I don’t care what estranged adult children are thinking.
BECAUSE ESTRANGEMENT IS ABOUT POWER. You may not understand why your child has chosen to do this. Their reasons may make no sense at all. That’s common, and it’s the most painful part. But you better understand this, and learn it quickly. Estrangement is about one thing. It’s about power and control... and you have two choices: You can either watch your life slip away mired down in those swirling thoughts... Why? What happened? Do they love me? Why won’t they love me? Can you believe this? Well... have you ever seen what happens to toilet water once it gets done swirling around in the bowl?
Or, you can reclaim your power, your life, and your place in this world by saying “Enough kid, I love you, but I have paid enough”.
Who is the parent in this relationship anyway?..."
And another quote from an EP/EGP, "Also, I, for one, cannot find it in myself to proffer a comforting bosom to any wayward daughters/daughters-in-law. However much they regard themselves to be not in the least little bit wayward.
I will always be on the side of their mums/mils's."
How many demonstrations/examples/truths must be cited before My/Our reality is seen?
Yes it is Yenifer!
Yennifer, I personally wouldn't label your shared exchange gaslighting- It appears to me that she convinced herself that you took her watch then blamed you- She sounds paranoid, passive aggressive and in denial-
Lol she knew I didn't take it, this was a repeated destabilisation that she did, it was just rare to have text evidence of it. My counsellor explained it to me x
Yennifer, I detect a note of your mother's tone in your post-
You asked a question, I answered it-
That's fine rosecarmel, I'm sure my mother would agree with you x
Sorry rosecarmel, that was uncalled for and I shouldn't have said that x
Yennifer, please stop goading Smileless, you have problems I can see that but picking on people won't maje them go away. Your issues with your mother do not remotely come over as her gaslighting you.
DARVO -- Another common theme!
PARVO
The problem with accusing people of gaslighting, is that the majority of responses associated with the term are commonly used when there's a disagreement. For example 'you're over reacting', 'I didn't do that/never said that (we all say that when we're being unfairly accused), 'why are you so defensive' and 'it's your fault'.
Telling someone they are upset over nothing, being dramatic and must be confused are examples of gaslighting and/or being condescending.
'I was just joking'
I found this one particularly interesting as you often put "lol" at the end of your posts Yennifer. Isn't that the same thing as saying 'I was just joking/don't take my comment seriously/don't take offence?
Hi Smileless2012, I read through the whole thread and I only found 3 lols. One a joke about people not on grans net. 1 a joke about something Sparkling and Yogagirl might say that was definitely cheeky and I don't deny it being a bit offensive and 1 about "ducking" that was also a bit cheeky. I haven't pretended to be joking when I was meaning something else x
We all use words and phrases but gaslighting is using them to do unfair harm. I wonder if maybe Starblaze and her warning to me has caused some unintended issues. I'm sure we can move past it x
Thanks for clarifying that. I always thought 'lol' was the same as saying 'I was only joking'.
Oh no, not at all Yennifer, the only issues I might have with what Starblaze has to say are with her; no one else.
Sparkling
All good Smileless x
HolyHannah I googled DARVO and I've sent it on to a friend who was blown away and found it very useful so thank you!
TMI no weak tummy readers! When I was little I hated carrots. I liked most vegetables but not carrots. It felt like there was always carrots. It felt like I always had the most carrots and hardly any peas or cabbage which I loved. I remember I hated them to the point it made me heave. Mother would make me stay at the table till I ate the carrots. I would be crying and she would be upset that I was putting her off her dinner. She loved carrots, she said I always ate carrots as a baby and that I was just making myself ill and crying for attention. There was, she said, absolutely no reason why I couldn't eat the carrots. After what felt like hours to me I was told that I had ruined the entire evening and really hurt her feelings with my ridiculous behaviour about carrots and carrots became a phobia for me for a long time. I still hate carrots. I never make my children eat things they don't like and just make sure they have mostly the veg they do like and over time they grew to like pretty much everything with no pressure x
Does anyone take into consideration that historically women have been shaped into something doesn't remotely resemble who they are as individuals and how much that influenced their mothers overall personality and life choices?
Catching up here... but my first thought is that saying "I was only joking" is harmless if you (general) say it right away (like putting LOL after a comment) and if the "joking" comment isn't mean-spirited. But using "I was only joking' as a defense when you're called out on a nasty/snide remark, etc. is a different thing. Granted, if it only happens once or twice, it might just be that the person is trying to get out of a poor choice of words. But if it happens regularly, IMO, that's a form of gaslighting. Then it's an effort to get away w/ hurting someone by making them feel they're "too sensitive," etc.
Starlady always pleased to see you and your great comments, you are brilliant with words x
Now its carrots!? I think you all need another thread to avoid all this silliness, for that what it is. It has become just an unkind distraction of pettiness.
Perhaps two new threads.
1. Estrangement from your grandchildren and children.
2. Estrangement from a grown up child's point of view.
Sparkling this is an EC thread. I think maybe you have missed that. Actually it's you using distracting pettiness to an EC on a thread by an EC x
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