Chewbacca
How many tablets do you take in the morning?
Today I have come across the same theme from EP/EGP's...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjn-ymF_LGg
This copied from another site:
And they wonder why they're still estranged.
From EP Facebook page.
"I DON’T GIVE A RAT’S (EXPLETIVE) WHAT ADULT ESTRANGED CHILDREN ARE THINKING.
You heard me. That’s a pretty strong statement, and it comes with some pretty strong feelings. After scanning the estrangement pages this morning, I am just so overwhelmed with sadness and anger for parents of EC’s, I needed to say something, and I wanted to make sure everybody heard me... so I put it in all caps.
I come to these communities and what I see are parents of all shapes and sizes with broken hearts pouring their guts out... parents that would do anything to have their children back in their lives. These are not bad people or abusers. These are not battle-hardened narcissists that want their children to suffer as they have. These are good people bearing unimaginable pain and hoping that something... anything they say will open a door and bring their children home.
So, you heard me. I am not interested in understanding adult estranged children.
I “get” them just fine. I don’t care why they do what they do, and I don’t care how unbelievable their actions are. I am not interested in their side of the story, and I am not interested in making them feel better. They are adults, they are creating this situation and they have plenty of “Dump Your Family Now” pages to help them feel better about the choice they have made.
I don’t care what estranged adult children are thinking.
I don’t care if there is a reason for their actions in their mind or not. I don’t care if their behavior is erratic and difficult to understand, or just downright cruel. I don’t care if Mommy and Daddy were imperfect humans and I don’t care if they never got that pony they wanted growing up. When a parent loves, cares, and tries, this stuff is inexcusable.
What I AM interested in is saving lives.
Your lives.
Because this stuff nearly killed me... and make no mistake, it can kill you too. Whether it’s your literal death through suicide, heart problems or diabetes from stress and other diseases, or the figurative death of your soul through long, slow, endless agonizing self- doubt, make no mistake this stuff can kill you.
IF YOU LET IT.
I think most people that know my writings by now know that I am a pretty sensitive person. But I am also unbelievably strong. But I didn’t start out that way... I earned it. through tears, pain and hellfire, I earned it. But the funny thing about hellfire is that it “Tempers” you. It makes you harder and stronger... you go into it red hot, but when you are done pouring a bucket of tears on it, the steel that is left is stronger than ever before. If you haven’t already, you are going to need to learn that strength as well.
I have said it many times. I don’t want any parent to ever go through what I have been through... and still, most of you already have. I was too late. But there is still something I can do. I can say this... over and over until it helps someone...
We all get down and depressed about our children’s choice, but you can’t stay there. You can’t. The world needs you. Stop the questions. You know the ones. We all miss our children. But your job was to raise them... not to die for them. That’s a futile sacrifice that will fall on deaf ears... and frankly, I believe it’s an affront to God to throw away your life... the beautiful gift that has been given you. Stop wasting it pining away for someone that couldn’t care less if you live or die.
I don’t care what estranged adult children are thinking.
BECAUSE ESTRANGEMENT IS ABOUT POWER. You may not understand why your child has chosen to do this. Their reasons may make no sense at all. That’s common, and it’s the most painful part. But you better understand this, and learn it quickly. Estrangement is about one thing. It’s about power and control... and you have two choices: You can either watch your life slip away mired down in those swirling thoughts... Why? What happened? Do they love me? Why won’t they love me? Can you believe this? Well... have you ever seen what happens to toilet water once it gets done swirling around in the bowl?
Or, you can reclaim your power, your life, and your place in this world by saying “Enough kid, I love you, but I have paid enough”.
Who is the parent in this relationship anyway?..."
And another quote from an EP/EGP, "Also, I, for one, cannot find it in myself to proffer a comforting bosom to any wayward daughters/daughters-in-law. However much they regard themselves to be not in the least little bit wayward.
I will always be on the side of their mums/mils's."
How many demonstrations/examples/truths must be cited before My/Our reality is seen?
Chewbacca
My husband got mad at me for blowing the speakers out in his car lmao .. truth be told, we both were to blame .. Lol .. But that's OK .. 
I also like Downtown by Petula Clark 
Blind Melon / No Rain .. Who doesn't LOVE the bee girl???
All I can say is that my life is pretty plain
I like watchin' the puddles gather rain
And all I can do is just pour some tea for two
And speak my point of view but it's not sane
It's not sane
I just want someone to say to me, oh
I'll always be there when you wake, yeah
You know I'd like to keep my cheeks dry today
So stay with me and I'll have it made
And I don't understand why I sleep all day
And I start to complain that there's no rain
And all I can do is read a book to stay awake
And it rips my life away but it's a great escape
Escape, escape, escape
All I can say is that my life is pretty plain
You don't like my point of view, you think that I'm insane
It's not sane, it's not sane
I just want someone to say to me, oh
I'll always be there when you wake, yeah
You know I'd like to keep my cheeks dry today
So stay with me and I'll have it made, I'll have it made, I'll have it made
Oh, no, no, you know, I really wanna, really gonna have it made
You know, I'll have it made
Pink Floyd fan here, comfortably numb is a favourite. Also absolutely love War of the Worlds. Seen both live x
I think my favorite Floyd is If, off Atom Heart Mother
I never caught them live tho .. You're fortunate, Yennifer ..
I tun the volume up. Mr. S. turn's it down; guess who usually wins
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My favourite Pink Floyd is 'Dark Side of the Moon' the whole album.
I don't listen to music enough I've decided x
^Yennifer Sat 29-Feb-20 11:59:16*
It was in my Facebook newsfeed. Stop talking to me Yogagirl, I don't like you - Charming!
Chewbacca Sat 29-Feb-20 12:18:50
I don't think that's how forum chats work Yennifer; I think anyone can join in on any conversation that they wish to.
Thanks Chewbacca
Smileless2012 Sat 29-Feb-20 14:06:00
^The very title and OP of this thread was antagonistic IMO. It should have read "why you might be estranged... aka the theme/attitude of abusive EP's/abusive EGP's that abused EAC understand".
From the outset this thread has made constant references and links to support the view that all parents who are estranged are abusers^
Very good post Smileless and I agree.
Smileless, I do hope your husband is soon home, I wouldn't waste your time looking at what certain people say. As I have said before, I would rather my adult child was out of my life with all that anger inside them, let them vent it somewhere else, one thing for sure everyone around them must feel it. Exhausting.
Opinion does not equal fact. Another "common theme" when dealing with dysfunctional thinkers. Anti-Vaxers are of the 'opinion' that vaccines are bad/evil. That doesn't make them right/correct.
Flat-Earthers are of the 'opinion' that the world is flat. They are not factually correct either.
Some here perceive Me as angry, bitter, 'stuck in the past', attention seeking, "dark minded" etc. I understand how perception drives/IS 'reality' for some. It also doesn't matter what I say and what inquires I respond to, the general perception is, I am 'wrong' to be saying the things I say and post here, so whatever truth I state in my defense is going to be 'wrong' and torn apart/rejected or deflected/ignored.
Sparkling, when you say, "let them vent it somewhere else" are you are referring to those that identify as EAC? Because this has been a recurring inference on this thread, that We should "be quiet and go 'elsewhere'". Will anyone admit that? Nope.
Will anyone who identifies as an EP/EGP acknowledge the direct insults to some posters here? Nope. In a now deleted comment, "Starblaze what a nasty bitter waste of space sort of person must you be..." Non-abusive/emotionally healthy adults think that is 'okay' to say to someone/anyone? Nope. Emotionally mature people would go, "Who the F do you think You are to say something like that to anyone?"
Instead the EP's immediately deflect back the their perceived 'insults' at the subject matter of this thread, to deflect from out-right attacks on other contributors, in particular the ones that identify as EAC.
What I have learned in recovery is, healthy people/thinkers know who they are as a person. Healthy people are not offended by untruths. There is no name/label that I have not been called at some point by someone.
Estranged non-abusive parents should not be offended to hear what "real abusers" 'sound like'/behave because it doesn't apply to them and their estrangement situation.
Are you an example of someone in recovery HH? Why on earth you posted an emotionally damaged womans ranting as an example of an estranged parent/grandparent is odd. She is obviously in need of help. The people on here are looking for support. As for always having the truth, a truth spoken with bad intention is cruel, who are you to say just what is healthy or unhealthy? Until you know both intimate sides if you just can't.,
I came here for support Sparkling, didn't get a lot from some did I? So not sure that's a fair statement, Or are only EPs allowed support and ECs should just get over it? x
Yennifer Sat 29-Feb-20 15:55:56 . I do think that discussion can be had without nastiness or telling people to get hit by cars. Have a good weekend x
Only you Yennifer has said such an awful thing; or telling people to get hit by cars Why would you say such a thing?
Message deleted by Gransnet. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.
I disagree Yennifer, I think Sparkling's statement is fair.
She hasn't differentiated between EP's and EAC. You have had support so I don't understand the need to keep asking if EAC "should just get over it" and if EP's are the only ones entitled to support.
"Estranged non-abusive parents should not be offended to hear what "real abusers" sound like/behave because it doesn't apply to them and their estrangement situation". I agree however, a lot of what has been posted here has been done so on numerous occasions, with the implication that the EP's/GP's posting here on GN are abusive.
AC who have estranged due to their abusive childhood should not be offended to hear what non abusive EP's sound like/behave because it doesn't apply to them and their estrangement situation.
Thanks Sparkling, he might be able to come home today
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The comment telling someone to walk in the middle of the motorway has been deleted. It was said even if it is now deleted. People have been very unsupportive to me Smileless2012, that's a fact I'm afraid. Why is everyone twisting things all the time? It's very odd x
I am estranged from DS1. 100% sure I've never been abusive, but his Dad who he still talks to IS. Strange. There's no accounting for taste!
The way I see it is we spend our lives accommodating our children, feeding them on demand as a baby and then doing our best to make sure all their needs are met as kids even going without ourselves- but for some AC that's not enough or they are fed lies by the other parent (if a breakup has happened)
If they are narcissist you CANT make them happy because whatever sacrifices you make will never be enough. If they need to leave to feel happy.... it's sad but best to accept it. If they are narcs, they will probably continue to be unhappy but there isnt much you can do.
With Mothers Day just around the corner, there are going to be Mums on this site who have sacrificed all for their kids and been the best they can be. All those with unthankful, unloving kids - just know it's not you. I plan to spend Mothers Day with my family who DO want to spend time with me. I have a clear conscience as many of you must also have, knowing that you did everything you could humanly DO.
We are not super human. I kind of understand why people estrange, but I think they are the ones not seeing any one's perspective except their own- and maybe one day they will live to regret it. Life goes on.
Smileless2012, you the most I don't understand, on the one hand you have been kind to me and on the other you continuously defend people who have been unkind to me. It's very hard to know where I stand with you. I just want to be treated like an individual EC, I'm only responsible for what I say x
I'll never regret it Lavazza1st. My mother was abusive x
Yennifer some posts I choose not co comment on just as you do. You didn't comment on Starblaze's awful post the other day when she said she celebrated the estrangement of some of the EP's who post here. Would it be fair for me to assume therefore that you support what was posted?
A lot of what HolyHannah posts is upsetting for and offensive too EP's/EGP's is your 'failure' to disagree with anything she posts your full support?
Despite the aforementioned I know where I stand with you and I don't understand why you don't know where you stand with me.
I understand your need to be treated like an individual EC, I need to be treated like and individual EP. This thread hasn't done that for me and it would seem not for you either
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Blimey this thread has really gone on, I have been following it but decided after all you said, you did, etc. that its not worth following anymore.
Thanks for sharing that Barmeyoldbat well chosen name 
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