I do think that discussion can be had without nastiness
It would be nice to think so Yennifer. Sadly it doesn't always seem to be the case!
Has anyone got a really good lemon zester?
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Today I have come across the same theme from EP/EGP's...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjn-ymF_LGg
This copied from another site:
And they wonder why they're still estranged.
From EP Facebook page.
"I DON’T GIVE A RAT’S (EXPLETIVE) WHAT ADULT ESTRANGED CHILDREN ARE THINKING.
You heard me. That’s a pretty strong statement, and it comes with some pretty strong feelings. After scanning the estrangement pages this morning, I am just so overwhelmed with sadness and anger for parents of EC’s, I needed to say something, and I wanted to make sure everybody heard me... so I put it in all caps.
I come to these communities and what I see are parents of all shapes and sizes with broken hearts pouring their guts out... parents that would do anything to have their children back in their lives. These are not bad people or abusers. These are not battle-hardened narcissists that want their children to suffer as they have. These are good people bearing unimaginable pain and hoping that something... anything they say will open a door and bring their children home.
So, you heard me. I am not interested in understanding adult estranged children.
I “get” them just fine. I don’t care why they do what they do, and I don’t care how unbelievable their actions are. I am not interested in their side of the story, and I am not interested in making them feel better. They are adults, they are creating this situation and they have plenty of “Dump Your Family Now” pages to help them feel better about the choice they have made.
I don’t care what estranged adult children are thinking.
I don’t care if there is a reason for their actions in their mind or not. I don’t care if their behavior is erratic and difficult to understand, or just downright cruel. I don’t care if Mommy and Daddy were imperfect humans and I don’t care if they never got that pony they wanted growing up. When a parent loves, cares, and tries, this stuff is inexcusable.
What I AM interested in is saving lives.
Your lives.
Because this stuff nearly killed me... and make no mistake, it can kill you too. Whether it’s your literal death through suicide, heart problems or diabetes from stress and other diseases, or the figurative death of your soul through long, slow, endless agonizing self- doubt, make no mistake this stuff can kill you.
IF YOU LET IT.
I think most people that know my writings by now know that I am a pretty sensitive person. But I am also unbelievably strong. But I didn’t start out that way... I earned it. through tears, pain and hellfire, I earned it. But the funny thing about hellfire is that it “Tempers” you. It makes you harder and stronger... you go into it red hot, but when you are done pouring a bucket of tears on it, the steel that is left is stronger than ever before. If you haven’t already, you are going to need to learn that strength as well.
I have said it many times. I don’t want any parent to ever go through what I have been through... and still, most of you already have. I was too late. But there is still something I can do. I can say this... over and over until it helps someone...
We all get down and depressed about our children’s choice, but you can’t stay there. You can’t. The world needs you. Stop the questions. You know the ones. We all miss our children. But your job was to raise them... not to die for them. That’s a futile sacrifice that will fall on deaf ears... and frankly, I believe it’s an affront to God to throw away your life... the beautiful gift that has been given you. Stop wasting it pining away for someone that couldn’t care less if you live or die.
I don’t care what estranged adult children are thinking.
BECAUSE ESTRANGEMENT IS ABOUT POWER. You may not understand why your child has chosen to do this. Their reasons may make no sense at all. That’s common, and it’s the most painful part. But you better understand this, and learn it quickly. Estrangement is about one thing. It’s about power and control... and you have two choices: You can either watch your life slip away mired down in those swirling thoughts... Why? What happened? Do they love me? Why won’t they love me? Can you believe this? Well... have you ever seen what happens to toilet water once it gets done swirling around in the bowl?
Or, you can reclaim your power, your life, and your place in this world by saying “Enough kid, I love you, but I have paid enough”.
Who is the parent in this relationship anyway?..."
And another quote from an EP/EGP, "Also, I, for one, cannot find it in myself to proffer a comforting bosom to any wayward daughters/daughters-in-law. However much they regard themselves to be not in the least little bit wayward.
I will always be on the side of their mums/mils's."
How many demonstrations/examples/truths must be cited before My/Our reality is seen?
I do think that discussion can be had without nastiness
It would be nice to think so Yennifer. Sadly it doesn't always seem to be the case!
Here here starblaze- I always leave these threads saying a little prayer of gratitude for the wisdom of the eac’s of many of the EGPs who post regularly.
And if everyone’s welcome to post on any thread then I sure hope that’s remembered when it comes to the gripey granny support thread.
Which thread is that then OutsideDave? Haven't seen a "gripey granny support thread".
Starblaze your posts demonstrate a rather selective amnesia as to what really went down on the estrangement thread a couple of months ago; those who witnessed the appalling bullying and cruelty to another poster were as shocked as GNHQ, who subsequently deleted so many of yours, and others posts that night. I seem to remember that one of your posting friends was banned?
But that's history and time has moved on and I think that the best way forward now is to simply ignore your posts from here on in.
Earlier today I asked who was a victim and I've still not seen any response to that question; apart from Yennifer's. As previously said, I'm an EAC of many years now and I'm constantly surprised at how few other EAC have still not come to terms with their decision and still seem to be wracked with self doubt. I've never seen myself as a victim. I see myself as a survivor; a confident, self supporting adult who made their decisions and is able to live their life without constantly looking back over my shoulder at the past.
It's refreshing to see positive and non offensive posts from EAC Chewbacca
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"All please read the post from Starblaze what a nasty bitter waste of space sort of person must you be?"
A NASTY BITTER WASTE OF SPACE? If someone said that about an EP/EGP there'd be pitch-forks and torches. I get called "slightly unhinged" and that I have a "dark mind" and that's fine too.
So if some are offended by this thread I would argue that it's people who have directly been named called who have the most right to be offended. But DARVO is at work again...
Who's DARVO? I've missed their posts? What did they say?
Not "who" on DARVO but 'what' it is. It's a concept that every child abuse victim understands.
Ah! I must have by passed that. No loss, I've managed rather well without it!
I took my AGC out of my life for many years, even had a restraining order on her and we had no contacts. But 7 years on we are now in contact and have even had a day out together. I decided it was time to forgive but not quite forget, I can't do that, and tested the water with her by at first speaking to her when she answered the phone when I needed to speak with her mum. It moved on from there and I feel so much better not having this hate in me.
But it's OK for Starblaze to post "Their nastiness makes me celebrate their estrangement" is it HolyHannah and for you to post that you believe EP's when they say they recognise their EAC has an abusive partner, to then follow that with abusers recognise one another?
You were asked to clarify that by Madgran and yet again, you failed to respond.
The majority of your posts and links have made virtually no effort to distinguish between abusive parents who have been estranged and non abusive parents, and you have the nerve to suggest that only EAC have been name called here.
I think you missed the humour in Chewbacca's post. We all know that DARVO stands for, we've seen plenty of it here but you seem to think it only applies to EP's and EGP's; read the thread.
Plenty of upsetting and offensive posts have been made here about EP's and EGP's.
That's good to know Barmeyoldbat
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Yes, it's the carrying all that hate and negativity all the time that's the killer isn't it Barmey? Like carrying baggage around on your shoulders for years on end; and you didn't realise the weight you were carrying until you just let it go. Such a relief! I hope that your newly burgeoning relationship with AGC continues to slowly, but surely, grow and flourish into a relationship that you're both comfortable with.
I'm no longer a victim, that doesn't mean I shouldn't have compassion for those who have suffered abuse. Not having compassion for those trying to heal is probably an unhealthy coping mechanism and lack of empathy brought on by abuse. I have compassion and empathy for people who have been cruel to me. No name calling or nastyness here. Perhaps too much empathy. Still rather that than shut it down x
Smileless2012 we should all be not talking to people who are nasty to us, who wants to be in a relationship with nasty people x
Shutting down? Or just getting on with your chosen life? Xxx
You're right Yennifer
I'll try to ignore them.
I do wish others would contribute to the heavy playlist!
4 - Man In The Box - Alice In Chains
I would, but I can't think of any
Truthfully, I can only take so much of it - Its great for the brain in moderation - 
The Scandinavian bands tho are too dark for me!
Getting on with chosen life is fine, you get to choose to be a nice person, or judge others for what you see as their weaknesses Chewbacca. Not everyone takes the tough approach and that doesn't mean there is anything weak about it. Its its own type of strong to allow others their own journey at their own pace x
Waterloo is my favorite ABBA tune- 
That's nice Yennifer x
Feed my eyes, can you sew them shut?
Jesus Christ, deny your maker
He who tries, will be wasted
Feed my eyes now you've sewn them shut
I can see why you can only listen to so much of it rosecarmel! Not exactly catchy, is it!
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