I’m a Pear/Apple - Part 5. Still going!!
Being asked for an honest opinion
Today I have come across the same theme from EP/EGP's...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjn-ymF_LGg
This copied from another site:
And they wonder why they're still estranged.
From EP Facebook page.
"I DON’T GIVE A RAT’S (EXPLETIVE) WHAT ADULT ESTRANGED CHILDREN ARE THINKING.
You heard me. That’s a pretty strong statement, and it comes with some pretty strong feelings. After scanning the estrangement pages this morning, I am just so overwhelmed with sadness and anger for parents of EC’s, I needed to say something, and I wanted to make sure everybody heard me... so I put it in all caps.
I come to these communities and what I see are parents of all shapes and sizes with broken hearts pouring their guts out... parents that would do anything to have their children back in their lives. These are not bad people or abusers. These are not battle-hardened narcissists that want their children to suffer as they have. These are good people bearing unimaginable pain and hoping that something... anything they say will open a door and bring their children home.
So, you heard me. I am not interested in understanding adult estranged children.
I “get” them just fine. I don’t care why they do what they do, and I don’t care how unbelievable their actions are. I am not interested in their side of the story, and I am not interested in making them feel better. They are adults, they are creating this situation and they have plenty of “Dump Your Family Now” pages to help them feel better about the choice they have made.
I don’t care what estranged adult children are thinking.
I don’t care if there is a reason for their actions in their mind or not. I don’t care if their behavior is erratic and difficult to understand, or just downright cruel. I don’t care if Mommy and Daddy were imperfect humans and I don’t care if they never got that pony they wanted growing up. When a parent loves, cares, and tries, this stuff is inexcusable.
What I AM interested in is saving lives.
Your lives.
Because this stuff nearly killed me... and make no mistake, it can kill you too. Whether it’s your literal death through suicide, heart problems or diabetes from stress and other diseases, or the figurative death of your soul through long, slow, endless agonizing self- doubt, make no mistake this stuff can kill you.
IF YOU LET IT.
I think most people that know my writings by now know that I am a pretty sensitive person. But I am also unbelievably strong. But I didn’t start out that way... I earned it. through tears, pain and hellfire, I earned it. But the funny thing about hellfire is that it “Tempers” you. It makes you harder and stronger... you go into it red hot, but when you are done pouring a bucket of tears on it, the steel that is left is stronger than ever before. If you haven’t already, you are going to need to learn that strength as well.
I have said it many times. I don’t want any parent to ever go through what I have been through... and still, most of you already have. I was too late. But there is still something I can do. I can say this... over and over until it helps someone...
We all get down and depressed about our children’s choice, but you can’t stay there. You can’t. The world needs you. Stop the questions. You know the ones. We all miss our children. But your job was to raise them... not to die for them. That’s a futile sacrifice that will fall on deaf ears... and frankly, I believe it’s an affront to God to throw away your life... the beautiful gift that has been given you. Stop wasting it pining away for someone that couldn’t care less if you live or die.
I don’t care what estranged adult children are thinking.
BECAUSE ESTRANGEMENT IS ABOUT POWER. You may not understand why your child has chosen to do this. Their reasons may make no sense at all. That’s common, and it’s the most painful part. But you better understand this, and learn it quickly. Estrangement is about one thing. It’s about power and control... and you have two choices: You can either watch your life slip away mired down in those swirling thoughts... Why? What happened? Do they love me? Why won’t they love me? Can you believe this? Well... have you ever seen what happens to toilet water once it gets done swirling around in the bowl?
Or, you can reclaim your power, your life, and your place in this world by saying “Enough kid, I love you, but I have paid enough”.
Who is the parent in this relationship anyway?..."
And another quote from an EP/EGP, "Also, I, for one, cannot find it in myself to proffer a comforting bosom to any wayward daughters/daughters-in-law. However much they regard themselves to be not in the least little bit wayward.
I will always be on the side of their mums/mils's."
How many demonstrations/examples/truths must be cited before My/Our reality is seen?
I don't think that's how forum chats work Yennifer; I think anyone can join in on any conversation that they wish to.
Hope all is progressing well with the patient Smileless.
It was in my Facebook newsfeed. Stop talking to me Yogagirl, I don't like you
Thanks Yogagirl
Smileless hope Mr. S is feeling a lot better this morning and that you are feeling more happy
one bunch each 
How many hours, weeks, months, years even, do you HolyHanna & Yennifer spend scrolling the papers & internet for these links to abuse? Must take up most of your lives!
Yennifer Thu 27-Feb-20 13:54:00 - OMGG, so now I'm following you!
How paranoid can one get!!
parrishmiller.com/narcissists.html
Yennifer - This has been posted before and is still the best/most accurate description. Take note of #3. It goes to the theme of failing to protect you. My 'mom' never protected me either. Whatever 'bad' that happened to Me? I 'deserved' it. I truly wish someone had sent that to me YEARS ago.
Thanks everyone
Just popping in with best wishes for Mr S recovery - chin up Smileless x
Not sure why you wouldn't believe the story Yennifer shared, Yoga. Ive heard/read of worse.
About reporting abuse... I don't have the expertise that Madgran does, but just off the top of my head, I think a lot of it goes unreported even today and certainly in the past. Especially if it's emotional abuse as that's harder to spot and prove.
Thanks for the updates, Smileless! Wishing the best for Mr.S!
Smileless, thinking of you and Mr S. x
Smileless …. Thank you for the update, I realise this thread isn't the most appropriate places to discuss MrS health.
I hope he is 'comfortable'?
Will you be able to go home and rest for a while?
My best wishes to you both 
Thanks Yennifer and rosecarmel.
Well I've just had the longest 5.5 hours of my life. Mr. S. went in to surgery at 4.00pm and only got back onto the ward a hour ago
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They couldn't do the procedure keyhole and there were some complications in recovery so he'll have to stay in for longer than we thought, possibly a week.
Thank God he's OK.
rosecarmel, that was a question I've never thought about. No never protected me, can't think of a single example! Everything from being badly bullied in school to relationship issues "What did YOU do to deserve it?“ even when a boy split my head open with a metal ruler, or a girl pushed bubble gum into my scalp and it had to be cut out and I had a bald patch. Never considered just mindless nastyness, I must have done something to deserve it x
Distancing for one's own wellbeing isn't a walk in the park either- It's uncomfortable as well- Which might be why a middle way would work for some but not others-
Not read only .. Lol ...just read
Still reading the article ..
Spot on about Oprah, how negative undercurrents are met with an almost addiction to positive affirmations that mask existing issues leaving them unexamined because it's uncomfortable -
Tipping point- The book by Gladwell The Tipping Point examines tipping points and it's a fascinating read-only
Question: Has your abusive parent ever stepped in to protect you?
In the book Around the Way Girl: A Memoir by Taraji P Henson (Hidden Figures) she looks at her abusive parent with clear eyes and adoration, which is a departure from the way that many look at theirs-
It's long but it does explain a lot of how children of abusive mothers feel. It also highlights that it's quite usual for abused children not to wake up till their later years. These are good people who have truly suffered and its more common than anyone would want to believe x
www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/tech-support/202002/the-emotional-fallout-recognizing-maternal-abuse
I like your post RoseCarmel and your writing does not sound to me that you are not accomplished in having an excellent imagination.
If you are not goal orientated does that really matter?
I do find that these days I am not driven by society to focus on any goals and as for ideal circumstances do they even exist any more?
My aspirations are also to be a better human being, to be honest to myself and help any along this life journey if I can.
On the best of days happiness seeks me out and whatever one believes in the Universe for that as being the Higher power above then so be it, I know who I believe to be my highest power but never try to influence others who they may see as that power it is all free will our own choice.
Sending you and your husband comfort Smileless .. 
3nanny6, a little bit about me .. 
I'm not very goal oriented- I noticed that when I am I tend to lose sight of everything else-
In a goal driven society, I appear not accomplished, not at age 6 or age 60- What I have accomplished won't matter one iota, not to those focused on goals or measure worth by making comparisons-
So, I'm not holding my breath or onto ideas of ideal circumstances, most of the time- My lifelong aspirations to be better at being me, a human being, are so subtle they can easily go unnoticed- And frequently do- 
But I often dream- And my imagination continues to serve me well when I don't believe any of my dreams need to come true for me to experience and pursue happiness-
Madgran77, totally agree with you and children are hardwired to love parents and put up with a lot saying nothing to protect abusive parents. It's not always visible, it's so sad and upsetting. So glad there are people out there trained to look for the signs x
Do not try and tell me that all the abuse some of you say you suffered that nobody ever reported it I find that very hard to believe.
In my past work I have been completely astounded by what has not been reported to the authorities, and how far some people will go to avoid "getting involved" so I do believe that some serious cases of abuse will not have been reported. Frequent moving of homes and schools is a well known abusers hiding place.
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