Hope For Estranged Grandparents

Chewbacca

We know that those penalties are in place Madgran we are only disagreeing about whether they will be used.

I haven't insulted Nonnie Chewbacca. Your approach is not working.

The conversations going on throughout this thread do not appear to be about whether they will be used! if they had been it might actually have stopped the Oozelum Bird model of posting that we have seen over the last 31 pages!

Oozelum Bird model of posting! love it!

I haven't insulted Nonnie

Nonnie might not agree when she sees it.

That's totally incorrect. Some of us were discussing whether it was possible as the law stands for a P to go to prison for failing to comply with a GP's court order. Which it is

Others were going on and on about 'this will never happen' and accusing posters of scaremongering. There were posts about fighting for the safety and welfare of innocent children, which incidentally everyone was doing. And then of course there were the usual posts about abusive GP's being given access to their GC, perpetuating the myth that all EP's are abusers making all EGP's potential abusers too.

Ah yes Madgran even that Oozelum Bird must have wondered what on earth was going on on this thread.

Nonnie is hopefully intelligent enough to read my comment in the context it was written. If not, she will see my clarification.

Nonnie is hopefully intelligent enough

When in a hole......

I don't think there's any doubt whatsoever that Nonnie's intelligent enough, with or without a formal education.

Chewbacca I really do feel sad for you.

Aww, shucks, thanks! Xx

I think I will return to this topic when you have all calmed down

When we've "all calmed down" you've forgotten to put your usual "lol" on the end, you know as you do so you can pretend you were only joking.

Nonnie -- "Sorry I didn't realise you are new and don't know how this works. When someone posts your name and date and time you posted they are talking about what you said in that post. Therefore I am asking you about what you posted at Fri 26-Jun-20 19:28:12."

Smileless has maintained that her DiL is at fault for their family estrangement saying she is 100% at fault. I'm sure you can find somewhere she has said that...

However, Smileless has now said, "When our son estranged us and prevented us from seeing our GC it was the beginning of his abuse toward us, not an end to abuse because prior to that there had been no abuse." on Mon 15-Jun-20 19:37:05 on the No Contact thread...

And yet HolyHannah I’ve always understood Smileless situation to be one of good relations with her son and DIL until DIL decided that wasn’t to continue (for whatever reason or for none at all). Again I believe, she was already estranged from her own parents and has influenced Smileless son to do the same.....and that is emotional abuse, IMO.

Feel free to correct me smileless if I’ve gotten it wrong.

No need to correct you Pantglas you are entirely correct in your summary. Our d.i.l. being at fault for our estrangement and our son emotionally abusing us with 'his' decision to estrange us are of course not mutually exclusive, and why anyone would constantly want to say different is beyond me.

I have never seen smileless say it is 100 percent her dil's fault, but then again, its difficult to find quite a few things that have been said on here.

A while back there were some people who were able to go back years into members posts, but it proved nothing at all, actually.

Besides which, it has nothing whatsoever to do with this thread.

You're right MissA. It reminds me of a quote from Martin Luther about society (not Martin Luther King) in which he likened society to a drunken man who, having fallen off one side of the horse, climbs back on and falls off the other side.

Starblaze Sat 27-Jun-20 17:20:38 so why do it?

Starblaze Sat 27-Jun-20 17:24:12 you assume too much. What do you know about my education? Goodness me, what lengths will go to with your gas lighting?

Chewbacca Sat 27-Jun-20 17:47:43 don't hold you breath, just add it to all the other apologies she hasn't given.

Madgran77 Sat 27-Jun-20 17:48:41 keep trying but you are wasting your breath, I have been saying that throughout this thread but it doesn't get through. Instead I have been accused of all sorts of things and never had an apology.

Pantglas2
A true hero you are in a quiet sort of way. You put your grandchildren 's welfare and their obvious need to have a good bond and relationship with their parents over and above your wish at the time to have a relationship with them. So hard but you had to do that for them then.
Take care now from Dawn.

A lovely post Dawn

Starblaze Sat 27-Jun-20 18:02:40 you have insulted me, again! Still no apology for any of the insults or twisted posts.

Of course they could be used, whether they have been or not we don't know because Family Courts are private. You can neither prove they have or prove they haven't so what's your point?

HolyHannah Sat 27-Jun-20 19:01:06 you quoted that so should be able to show me where it is! I cannot see it which is shy I asked you to verify the claim. If I could see it I wouldn't ask. Obviously!

Just in case anyone doesn't know, we may not have a thread about a thread. Think that could well be what some are doing as things have been said which they cannot verify.
Starblaze Sat 27-Jun-20 18:18:47 yes I am 'intelligent enough" to know exactly what you meant and so are other posters. You enjoy being unpleasant (euphemism) to people who do not agree with you. Some of us simply accept that others have different views. Some of us simply present facts.

I honestly dont think going to court is the answer, its going to cause all sorts of problems and make your adult children even more resentful than they already are. Yes I know from my own experience its heartbreaking being estranged from your kids and grandkids. Letting go is hard but you have to for your own sanity!

That's the same view as the others on this thread.
Not that you'd think so by reading it.