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Hope For Estranged Grandparents

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worthitall Tue 16-Jun-20 16:30:44

I’ve read some posts where people feel it is not worth the fight to see their grandchildren and others which suggest grandparents don’t have such rights - which is correct.

The fact in such matters though is that the rights belong to the children, including rights to see their grandparents unless there is a very good reason why not - and that Is where most arguments lay and a compelling and realistic case has to be made to support 'why not'?

How am I so sure? The Family Court has given me permission to see my grandchildren on a regular basis. Cafcass had no objections to, nor hesitation in recommending, access and the court was able to see that the cutting off of contact was not about the children but about the parent.

The court has enabled me to restart the lovely relationship I always had with my grandchildren.

Do not be afraid to go to court if it is the only way you can speak to your grandchildren. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Good luck

Smileless2012 Fri 26-Jun-20 21:01:51

I liked the original first 3 films but got bored after that. Mr. S. does a brilliant impression of Yoda; just in case anyone's interested!!

Starblaze Fri 26-Jun-20 20:59:02

No, just culture, I don't like Star wars much though

Chewbacca Fri 26-Jun-20 20:52:23

How sweet of you to have researched that Starblaze, thank you.

Starblaze Fri 26-Jun-20 20:48:26

Chewbacca your namesake is in fact a furry sidekick.

Please calm down

Chewbacca Fri 26-Jun-20 20:37:59

I'm not getting mad at all Starblaze! Why would I be? And why do you feel insulted? I haven't referred to you, or anyone else in a derogatory way, for example, I've not referred to anyone as furry sidekick etc, have I? And I haven't mentioned you by name for a while now so which of my posts do you feel personally identified with?

Starblaze Fri 26-Jun-20 20:32:59

No need to get mad and insult everyone here Chewbacca

Chewbacca Fri 26-Jun-20 20:28:44

which should I believe? I don't give much of a shiny shit what you believe HolyHannah and to be fair, I'd consider myself really screwed up if you claimed to understand me! I no longer feel the need to spill my guts to a publicly accessible online confessional booth; seeking approbation and affirmation from random souls who are equally as damaged and haunted by a past. But I appreciate that, for you, its still a necessary crutch to lean on until you can reach that part in your life where you no longer need to keep revising your past. But don't let it take over your life HolyHannah; don't let it be the one thing that makes you "you". I'm fairly sure there's more to you than that.

Smileless2012 Fri 26-Jun-20 20:22:55

confused

Starblaze Fri 26-Jun-20 20:12:39

Right.

HolyHannah Fri 26-Jun-20 20:00:08

Chewbacca -- And yet you DID "judge" by saying, "I've come so much further than you in moving on..." So when actions and words don't meet which should I believe? That you are 'more healed' then some or that you are judging and acting superior due to your 'success' at healing?

Smileless2012 Fri 26-Jun-20 19:59:24

No it hasn't HolyHannah and I am not going to rise to your pathetic, repeated and tedious attempts to gas light me.

Earlier on this thread you had the arrogance not only to assume you knew the content of the email we received from our now ES son, you even posted what that content would have been.

I responded and you do what you do most of time, you ignored my response. You ignored it because it doesn't fit with what you so desperately want to prove, that my truthful account of our estrangement is a lie.

Believe what you like, carry on with your pointless crusade to undermine me and 'prove' I'm a liar. You are not discrediting me, you are not succeeding in your attempts to intimidate me.

What you are doing is demonstrating time and again that there are GN's who can have a sensible discussion about estrangement, that there are some who can respectfully disagree and do not need to resort to personal insults and character assassinations. Above all HolyHannah you demonstrate that you are not one of those.

Chewbacca Fri 26-Jun-20 19:53:53

Maybe HolyHannah but like Starblaze said earlier I don't think you know me well enough to judge. wink

Chewbacca Fri 26-Jun-20 19:52:21

You and others like you use serious abuse done to me as a small innocent child against me

And that one single comment has proved my earlier post perfectly. Thank you.

HolyHannah Fri 26-Jun-20 19:50:55

Chewbacca -- "I've come so much further than you in moving on with my life and not letting it define me."

With a judging, superiority mind-set like that, maybe you aren't as emotionally healthy as you claim to be...

Starblaze Fri 26-Jun-20 19:47:50

Chewbacca I tend to defend myself with jokes, for example, What do you call a man buried in the swamp?

You and others like you use serious abuse done to me as a small innocent child against me.

Which of us is more healed again?

Chewbacca Fri 26-Jun-20 19:44:03

Yes, I think pretty much that.

Starblaze Fri 26-Jun-20 19:39:44

Chewbacca I'm fine, what do you think I'm doing? Sitting here crying? Don't be ridiculous.

HolyHannah Fri 26-Jun-20 19:28:12

Smileless -- Your 'story' has gone from it's 100% your DiL's "fault" you are estranged from your son, to the truth that there was NO abuse until after your son estranged.

That's a pretty massive shift and to say it isn't is just trying to gas-light people.

Chewbacca Fri 26-Jun-20 19:25:05

I'm throwing grenades? It was you who said you just show up like a furry sidekick and savage ankles. Hardly a conciliatory comment was it? You can give it out Starblaze but like others have pointed out to you in the past, you're unable to take it on the chin when it come right back at you. You either deny what you said, or you claim that you're misunderstood or you claim some kind of immunity for being called out on the way you speak to people. And when those fail, you just get personal.

You and I are both EAC and yet I've come so much further than you in moving on with my life and not letting it define me. I do sincerely hope that, at some point, you can too. smile

Starblaze Fri 26-Jun-20 19:09:53

Chewbacca there's no rude implication to "moving forward" it's just like personal growth or healing. Something we should all aspire to. Doesn't have to be constant. Just as and when. I've only been here a year and I actually have taken away a great deal from many discussions.

You can keep throwing handgrenades but I have my tennis racket

Chewbacca Fri 26-Jun-20 18:49:19

None of us know you; we only know what you tell us and that's been fairly consistent throughout, and that's what I've based my opinion on.

Your analogy of me is possibly correct but then again, I don't think you know me well enough to judge. grin

Starblaze Fri 26-Jun-20 18:42:44

I don't think you know me well enough to judge Chewbacca you just show up like a furry sidekick and savage ankles

Chewbacca Fri 26-Jun-20 18:29:32

No sweetie, they're not, but are you honestly stating that you, unlike Smileless, have moved forward? Hmmm? Because that's definitely not what you've been saying on these threads for quite some time now, is it? hmm

Starblaze Fri 26-Jun-20 18:24:18

Things aren't true because you want them to be Chewbacca

Chewbacca Fri 26-Jun-20 18:18:26

Maybe it would help you move forward.

The irony of this statement is quite staggering.