Religion and Estrangement/No Contact.

Madgran - Starblaze was responding to Smileless saying that her son did a parachute jump, paraglided and swam with sharks!

Madgran erm....

No actually, someone else can untangle that one.

MoD lol spam

Starblaze I truly cannot see how you can interpret this discussion as "swimming with sharks"! However,iIf that is your interpretation then so be it!

As far as I can see, there has been completely genuine expressions of differing views, ranging from non believers to very strong believers and many in between. There have been people detailing their faith, others not saying. Several, including myself, giving views on what part religion might play in estrangement in reply to the OPs original question, from their perspective.

What part was "swimming with sharks" as opposed to "friendly interesting debating of differing views?"

That's a genuine question but as you have quit I don't suppose I will get an answer

I’ve swam with Whale Sharks. It was an incredible experience. They are such gentle giants.

Nothing has read as pushy to me. Someone with strong beliefs and faith will describe those clearly and someone who may not have the same beliefs and faith may interpret that as pushy when that is far from the intention

Madgran I agree with you that Skye came across as thoughtful and kind, however, I did think her initial post was spam when I first read it.

Yep, that's life down under for you. I nearly died when I saw a photo of someone swimming with whale sharks; I had no idea how huge they are.

Parachute jump, paragliding and swimming with sharks?

Nope. I quit.

Absolutely Madgran just as someone disparaging another's beliefs and explaining why they don't believe can be interpreted as pushy.

Yes, titanium

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Your sibling sound more like a despot than a believer of a religion rosecarmel! I've not come across any one like that.

Nothing has read as pushy to me. Someone with strong beliefs and faith will describe those clearly and someone who may not have the same beliefs and faith may interpret that as pushy when that is far from the intention.

Yes I do. I've known him all my life; what's your point?

Smileless2012

But that isn't what God wants rosecarmel.

? So you know too, huh?

Yes, titanium

Madgran I'm a real genuine person all the time, just like you.

Was I suggesting that you weren't? I am not sure where that might have been, and was not my intention!

But that isn't what God wants rosecarmel.

Have you a better design?

Discussing religion and pushing it are clearly two different things-

I've a sibling that pushed/peddled their practice- At family gatherings, their default response in conversations was "Praise the Lord-" My other sibling was finally like, "Enough!"

Meatballs went a flyin' ..

They used their practice to troll family dinners full well knowing it would end in children hiding under tables, babies screamimg, people retrieving their children that had the bejesus scared out of them and leaving-

Even the troll's children, little as they were, asked them to please stop saying it- They did not stop-

Because it's "what God wants .."

Yeah our 37 year old DS is the same. He has motor boards now and last year broke his wrist. You've done well to get so far with no broken bones.

DS broke a toe falling out of a tree getting conkers and fractured his knee coming off his mountain bike. He's still into motor boarding, 'extreme' biking whatever that is; I don't ask and a bit of free climbing from time to time. At least he waited until after the event to tell me about his parachute jump, para gliding and swimming with whale sharks.

It did get a bit pushy Smileless

There really isn't a politer way of saying that.

Please tell the great bearded sky dwelling one his design for elbows sucks.

He's OK, he told me that he was getting really good at scateboarding before he fell. Breaking your arm in 2 places is not the definition of "good".

I nearly got 3 whole children to adulthood with no broken bones.

These chairs are designed to put you in hospital.

No body's pushing religion rosecarmel this thread's title is 'Religion and Estrangement/No contact. How can we possibly discuss the topic this thread is about without discussing religion?

that's a good question Chewbacca. My faith is in God and for me faith is the consequence of belief.

Using Skye's parachute analogy, belief is strapping the parachute onto your back. Faith is jumping out of the 'plane and pulling the rip chord.

As for any religious order being complicit in child cruelty and/or sexual abuse, those behaviours belong to those who commit those acts. Those acts are their responsibility, the crime or sin is theirs not God's.

It worse because they purport to be doing God's work and following his teachings. This puts me in mind of a question once asked of Archbishop Temple; when asked why is the clergy so awful. He responded with 'because we've only got the laity to choose from'.

Hope your son is OK Starblaze.

When people push religion it doesn't end well- Crusades? Oh, yes, bloody mess -- sign us up!!!