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I've often wondered how much religion plays a part in estrangement.
I was 'raised' Christian and hated IT. The hypocrisy that I saw in that community was appalling to Me even as a minor child... Add the double-standards of my home environment, all these "rules"/ideals existed in principle but the only one following them/MADE to follow them and faced consequences for NOT following those "rules" was ME. Oh and a few 'fellow goats'... A group/community/'family' doesn't need many from my experience and reality -- just enough to make others' "fall into line" lest they become a 'goat' as well.
Here's a list, compiled by an EP of Biblical quotes:
Proverbs 1:8 My child, listen when your father corrects you. Don’t neglect your mother’s instruction.
Proverbs 6:20 My son, obey your father’s commands, and don’t neglect your mother’s instruction.
Proverbs 10:1 The proverbs of Solomon: A wise child brings joy to a father; a foolish child brings grief to a mother.
Proverbs 15:20 Sensible children bring joy to their father; foolish children despise their mother.
Proverbs 19:26 Children who mistreat their father or chase away their mother are an embarrassment and a public disgrace.
Proverbs 20:20 If you insult your father or mother, your light will be snuffed out in total darkness.
Proverbs 23:22 Listen to your father, who gave you life, and don’t despise your mother when she is old.
Proverbs 23:25 So give your father and mother joy! May she who gave you birth be happy.
Proverbs 28:24 Anyone who steals from his father and mother and says, “What’s wrong with that?” is no better than a murderer.
Proverbs 30:11 Some people curse their father and do not thank their mother.
Proverbs 30:17 The eye that mocks a father and despises a mother’s instructions will be plucked out by ravens of the valley and eaten by vultures.
And this is why I'm a Jedi.
Skye17
rosecarmel I’m not sure what you mean.
You're speaking for God when you talk about what God wants without being clear that what you think what God want's is what you personally think God wants-
We're all very sorry to hear about your poor son Starblaze, no one is suggesting at all that you're not a genuine person at all, we all know you are. And I'm not getting my knickers in a knot any more than anyone else here has so far. We're just discussing the topic.
Nice to know someone gets it, alexa (16:29) ?
Madgran I'm a real genuine person all the time, just like you.
As a lifelong atheist, I just find all this religious stuff hilarious. I'm astonished that so many are believers too!
Same Hetty. I’ve been trying to avoid this thread!
Star I’m so sorry to hear about your son. Hope he’s okay.
How do you differentiate between faith and belief though Smileless? And, for example, if you have a faith/belief, that truly gives you comfort but then you discover that that religious order is heavily complicit in, for example, child cruelty or sex abuse, does that shake your belief or faith? Does it make a faith waiver?
Ah, your poor son, I hope he's ok and feeling more comfortable very soon Starblaze. Their a worry at any age aren't they?
Sorry about your son Starblaze Miserable time for you and for your son
However I was not aware of those circumstances when commenting on your post and interpretations. I was just pondering, as I said, looking back on previous thoughts that I expressed, about interpretation.
Chewbacca I've been in hospital with one of my sons since 9pm last night. He's 15, broke his arm in 2 places, and had surgery. He's asleep right now. The TV only shows the 1 Disney film, the Internet is too slow to do much more than gransnet and the odd WhatsApp message and the chairs are designed to make you want to stand. I'm starving and exhausted and feeling very alone.
I do however apologise if I wasn't able to frame my words in such a way as to stop you getting your knickers in a knot.
It was and in some ways is still hard Skye.
Discussing religion can be a mine field, as is discussing estrangement. Putting the two together; doubles the number of mines perhaps.
For me, there's a difference between religion and faith. Faith for me is my personal relationship with God.
What may not be helpful to some Starblaze may not be helpful to others but if it helps some, that's a good thing.
I'm a "bit of a believer" Hetty! Enough to have respect for those who gain comfort and support from their belief but there are too many times that I can easily blame religion for too many things that are wrong with the world. A foot in both camps, I suppose!
I said "here" meaning this thread
You did say "here". To me that did not come over as this thread, it came over as "here" in terms of the points of view being expressed. Again, its interpretation
Just ask me, always happy to clarify myself
So am I. But the problem is when people interpret something in a particular way then they don't tend to think that they need clarification do they, they assume they have understood it in a particular way. The fact that their personal interpretation is not what the poster meant, isn't in their heads because they have made that interpretation and are responding to it!
No control over whether I'm believed
Not sure why you said this
As a lifelong atheist, I just find all this religious stuff hilarious. I'm astonished that so many are believers too!
Madgran, I agree with your comments; Please understand you are not being helpful here came across in the same way to me too; I thought it was an open discussion about a really very interesting and engaging subject, not one that is asking for advice or support.
I said "here" meaning this thread
Just ask me, always happy to clarify myself
No control over whether I'm believed
It's been a long time since I've read any posts that have made me reflect on a subject of discussion as your posts have Sky17; and whilst I have different beliefs to yours, you put your thoughts across in a very interactive, non judgemental way. Thank you.
I’m very sorry to hear of that, Smileless. That must be so hard. (I haven’t been on this forum to mention and don’t know anyone’s story. I just happened to tap on the thread title under Trending).
There is always room for how everyone feels, there was no negative tone to my comments and lecture is just a word about imparting information. I was just pointing out it may not be helpful in this particular instance to push it
That is interesting Starblaze It takes me back in my thinking to what I was pondering on in another thread in the last few days about individual interpretation and how it appears to often be the cause of misunderstandings and problems on many threads. The use of different words and how different people read them.
In my case it was the use of "point" as opposed to "observation", when to me they are basically the same thing, in the context I used them.
In your post "lecturing me" came over to me as negative in imparting information in the context of this discussion, as opposed to "talking to me" or "discussing with me" which would not have come over to me as negative in the same way.
In the same way "Please understand you are not being helpful here." does not read to me as "pointing it out it may not be helpful in this particular instance". It reads to me as suggesting that a poster should not be posting about her beliefs . I accept that was not your intention as you have told me that of course, but again personal interpretation has played a part in the responses you received I think!
I continue to ponder this as I read various threads on GN and notice how the conversations develop.
I agree with you Toadinthehole, Madgran and Chewbacca in relation to Skye's posts.
The message of the Bible is "like a parachute for someone who's in a plane that's about to crash". I love that Skye, it's brilliant and has been my experience when times have been hard especially when faced with our son's estrangement.
There is always room for how everyone feels, there was no negative tone to my comments and lecture is just a word about imparting information. I was just pointing out it may not be helpful in this particular instance to push it
Madgran Thank you - that has quite made my day.
Skye I find your posts interesting even though my views are different and I think you come over as deeply thoughtful and kind.
Thank you Toadinthehole, Madgran77 and Chewbacca.
Starblaze I’m sorry my comment was unhelpful. I only meant to address your comment about people in general being fine without the gospel, not to address you personally. I should have taken into account more that you might have suffered abuse involving the Bible. Sorry. If you have, I can quite see that you would recoil from anything to do with it, and would need to heal before reconsidering its message. I have heard of spiritual abuse targets feeling that way. I wish you all the very best with that healing.
Cross posts Madgran!
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