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The torture of going NC - nobody wins

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MercuryQueen Sun 07-Nov-21 13:20:28

Smileless may I suggest that not having witnesses to abuse allegations does NOT make them false? Many abusers are extremely careful to avoid witnesses who would go against them.

According to my younger siblings, their dad “never laid a hand on me.” All the bruises and welts he left were carefully placed not to show, and all the beatings were done in a closed room, when we were alone, or with only my mother as a witness. And she lied in criminal court to say it didn’t happen.

Please don’t invalidate the many, many survivors of domestic violence by saying no witnesses means no abuse.

Smileless2012 Sun 07-Nov-21 09:07:25

A well written and moving account of the circumstances that led to your estrangement blindedscience. It's great that you have sought and found the help you needed to make the break an protect yourself and your children from this toxic and abusive atmosphere.

I agree with CafeAuLait's caveat as in order for any kind of resolution, communication is key and that requires all parties to listen to one another.

Where there's estrangement, more often than not there's a manipulative, controlling and abusive person at the centre, and if you have read any of the personal accounts here on GN, you will know that that person is not always a parent. It can be the AC or the partner of an AC.

You tried to communicate your experiences with those involved but for many of that has never been the case. We have been met with a wall of silence and when 'experiences' have been talked about, they've consisted of false allegations.

There has been no one to verify or substantiate their allegations if made, because those allegations are false. You say "if they've gone NC it means they've given up on trying to communicate with you". Sometimes, and this was the case for us, they don't even bother to try.

"no body wins" I believe that sometimes someone does win. The coercive partner who wanted nothing more than to see their husband/wife/partner disengage from their birth family, and succeeds with their lies and manipulation, wins when estrangement finally happens.

Their victory may be short lived if their partner eventually leaves them, or may not be as sweet as they first thought because their partner is no longer the person they once were. Perhaps miserable because of what they've done and ridden with guilt because they know it was wrong. They may be in so deep that they cannot leave, but they'll have changed, and no longer be the person they once were.

The pain does reduce with time but it never goes away. We learn to live with it just as you do and the possibility of being able to talk to our ES is as non existent as it is for you to be able to talk to your family.

You estranged to protect yourself and you children. I'm sorry that you needed to do that but it was the right thing to do. We were estranged by our youngest son and as a consequence lost our only GC.

To protect ourselves, contacting our ES is out of the question. We cannot put ourselves at risk again.

Iam64 Sun 07-Nov-21 08:38:45

Many of the estranged adult children who post on the estrangement threads give the opposite advice to this OP. Their view is if your adult child has decided on no contact, getting in touch to try and understand or make sense of it, is harassment.
I agree that no by wins when no contact happens, when families break up.

CafeAuLait Sun 07-Nov-21 08:30:26

I would caveat that with: As long as the AC are also willing to listen to the other perspective, even if it means hearing some things that they disagree with or that might be hard to hear. AC know their parents aren't perfect, you're right. AC aren't perfect too.

blindedscience Sun 07-Nov-21 03:55:04

I've been estranged from my mother and step-father for 5 years now. I justified the choice as protecting my kids from the same damage I suffered as a child. It was a choice borne of desperation, and no one "won" as a result of it.
I see a recurring narrative here - one of refusal to allow the AC to win by refusing them to establish their own narrative. My hope is to convince you that, if they've truly gone NC, your AC isn't trying to win. NC isn't a tactic - it's a disengagement. They've completely left the field behind.

My story might not apply to you. Hopefully it'll give you some perspective. If not, I simply ask for your empathy throughout.
My family had it in for me as a child. My stepfather did everything he could to ensure my home wasn't a haven and my self-esteem never got too high. It was clear his own child was the one expected to do great things. I learned to evade him, but poor self-esteem meant I was bullied both at home and school.
My mother, for her part, I believe actually cared, but did little to protect me. In the vein of tough love/teaching me about the world, she also prevented me from getting my driver's license, and set up artificial hurdles for me to attend college.
At the end of Junior High School I broke. Low self-esteem manifested as Narcissistic Personality Disorder, a scar I carried for decades.
But, here's something important: because of my NPD, I've learned not to trust any of my memories from high school or my early adulthood, unless I can find physical artifacts or other people who can recount the same situation.
As I began to wake up from my NPD and I sought treatment, I realized I had put my early life to bed by accepting it as simply a case of neglect. My therapist, however, insisted that I consider it might have been abuse, instead. Re-litigating situations in this light, combined with my realization that my step-father's disrespect for me never ended, caused me intense distress that I needed my mother to help me work through.
It's at this point that my mother completely failed me. Instead of listening to my story/narrative, and helping me to understand her own version of the story, she shut down and refused to talk to me. Around that time, the family superstar started in with their attacks, and other members of the family began attacking me as well. Their "story" was that I was having a nervous breakdown and nothing I remembered ever happened.
It's not all bad. I had other siblings who confided in me that they remembered the same things I did, and that I got the worst of my tyrant step-father's behaviors, but that they weren't comfortable getting in the middle of the conflict.
I had small children, and they were already beginning to notice the favoritism for the superstar's kids. I went NC to protect myself and them.
And it's been gloriously peaceful. I no longer wake up in the middle of the night seething with rage over how I was treated, and what I feared for my kids. I'm sure my justification of doing it for my kids is only part of the story, though - protecting my own emotional state probably also made the decision easy.
In my own case, my family wasn't fulfilling any function in my life. Individual members were nice to be around, but the family as a whole was toxic.

But, there's one thing I'd like you to take away from my story:
My decision to go NC was borne from an inability of my family to engage with my story. There was a basic unwillingness to hear the story, give me any sort of credit for confronting my demons (which, I assure you, was hard as hell), or consider that there might be any reason for me to be unhappy with my childhood. Instead of addressing that there were very real issues going on presently, they got fixated on trying to refute things that happened decades ago, sometimes just telling me to get over it.
I didn't need an apology (which I see many of you bristling over) - all I needed was someone to tell me a different version of the story that wasn't an attempt to ridicule my own.
I'd suggest one thing and one thing alone if estrangement is hurting you - contact your AC and indicate that you'd like to listen to what they have to say, and hopefully they won't mind if you ask questions. Make sure you listen, and your questions are for clarification and aren't challenging their story. At this phase what is most needed is your listening and understanding their story, even if you make it clear you don't agree with the details.
Believe me, your AC knows you're not perfect. If they've gone NC, it means they've given up on trying to communicate with you. Resolution relies on communication resuming, and you can't do that if you won't listen to or understand their story.