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FFS Smileless, VS has as much right to post and to her opinion as you do yours.

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Once again we are seeing references to "emotionally abusive" GP's; what about the emotional abuse of children by their parents when they are no longer allowed to see their GP's?

There are many, many reasons why people no longer wish to maintain a relationship with their parents. It is not an easy decision to make, I would imagine. To suggest that those who choose not to facilitate a relationship between their children and the grandparents in the circumstances are emotionally abusing their children is one of the most ludicrous and offensive things I have read on here in a while.

As I mentioned in my other post, domestic violence has got worse with the pandemic and many kids not being kept an eye on like they would have been pre-pandemic.

In the case recently with the little boy, Arthur, who died, his Grandma did notice bruises but was ignored. What happens to kids who don't have Grandparents at all? Can a GP ever save a child? Does anyone listen to GP's even if they are involved? Arthur's Grandma said that the system is broken.

I did sign it, but also understand reasons for not signing. I know not all GP are good and not all people are good to be around, but I signed it from my own perspective. There would need to be individual cases looked at, I think.

You would be taking away the rights of parents who do protect their children emotionally because of parents who don't protect their children emotionally.

You have no way of knowing how many parents are protecting compared to how many who are harming which means that this could potentially harm more children than it helps.

Then there are all the reasons just going to court potentially harms children.

How is that possibly right?

I cannot imagine that parents who are willing to harm their children in one way by keeping them from loving family members would not be harming them in other ways too and therefor services that safeguard children should have more priority.

Are you seriously suggesting that any changes in the law to make it easier for GP's to go to court to try and get contact with their GC, would result in a GP having any rights over their unborn GC, thus preventing a pregnant woman's choice to have an abortion VS.

That has to be one of the most ridiculous 'arguments' against this or any discussion on this topic that I ever seen.

I was wondering the same thing Iam and as Chewbacca has posted, "Because it always has to". Just as when trauma is mentioned for the children, it's always in association with GP's successfully getting contact through the courts to see their GC, and it seems to me never in the context of children no longer being allowed to see the GP's they know and love.

What about that trauma?

Once again we are seeing references to "emotionally abusive" GP's; what about the emotional abuse of children by their parents when they are no longer allowed to see their GP's?

Or what about a future where a grandparent objects to her daughters plan to end a pregnancy.

We already know things are going down hill in the US in regards to women's choices over their own bodies and futures.

How can a discussion about grandparents rights morph into abusive adult children gaining POA

Because it always has to Iam64.

Because it logically opens up possibilities.

Another example, if this went through and an emotionally abusive grandparent was awarded grandparents rights, some parents wouldn't allow their children to go. A scenario which could brand parents as abusive and even lead to a jail sentence all because emotional abuse is very difficult to prove.

Children could lose time with their actual parents and be subjected to huge trauma but we should allow that?

How can a discussion about grandparents rights morph into abusive adult children gaining POA?

GG65 take away a parents rights now, give them to family members, and abusive children gaining POA more easily over a vulnerable parent is just one possibility.

It could leq in so many awful directions

Great post DiamondLily. Thanks for sharing your own experience. It chimes with many I’ve heard and nudges this discussion in a broader direction.
Smilesless again points out, rightly, that many estranged grandparents weren’t abusive towards their own children. Getting it wrong sometimes is normal parenting.

Oh dear

I just got your point.

It’s been a day

AmberSpyglass

….we’re all adult grandchildren, summer love.

True enough.

I don’t think going to court would get me access to my grandparents though!!

….we’re all adult grandchildren, summer love.

Granniesunite

Responsible parents aways check children's phones...

This subject needs to be looked at. It could be one day an adult grandchild who will start the process.

An adult grandchild won’t need court ordered access. They can choose a relationship or not.

AmberSpyglass

If I didn’t want my children to see someone, family or otherwise, they wouldn’t see them. There’s a chance something like this might pass under the shitshow of a government we currently have, but I’d oppose it at every turn.

There would be mass opposition to it.

Not just from parents, but from individuals who value their right to live their lives free from state interference.

Where it would lead is my concern.

If I didn’t want my children to see someone, family or otherwise, they wouldn’t see them. There’s a chance something like this might pass under the shitshow of a government we currently have, but I’d oppose it at every turn.

apologies DL getting your name wrong.

Good for you DSL not allowing your personal relationship with your mother to deprive your children of their GM.

Diamondlily I do agree and I think it's wonderful you could achieve that. I was willing to allow a relationship for my children thinking my mothers issues were solely with me but in our case that wasn't so and I am glad they came to me with their concerns.

That could have been very different if they were all much younger though which, as much as I regret not walking away sooner, I think it happened at the right time for my my family to make informed choices together.