Sign for grandchildren

Sorry there….

I understand the emotional abuse thank you and know how hard it is to be heard. It it can be done through the courts . I’d try their first I think if I was in your position .

No Missadventure

I'm not sure what I have said that would make you think that.

What I know is that the can is full of worms.

I went no contact to protect myself and my children and I won't stand for MY RIGHT to protect my children to be taken from me or anyone else.

So you think in light of your experience, other children should be denied the right to see non abusive relatives, violet?

Granniesunite

Times are changing and emotional and sexual abusers are being exposed in courts. I’m so sorry that this is your experience but Not all that are estranged are abusers .This is where I for one would welcome my day in court.

With all due respect I don't think you have any understanding of the power and control emotional abusers have over their victims.

When you grow up in an emotionally abusive home, that is your normal. You have very likely internalised that it's your own fault, that you are bad, that other mothers love their children because their children are different to you somehow.

I estranged in my late 30s because MY children who have not grown up with abusive started pointing it out and I went to get help.

There are members of this forum STILL in contact with their emotionally abusive parents unable to break free. There are members here whose parents died some time ago who only realised when they felt free upon the death of their parents.

You need a deep understanding of the damage abuse and trauma does to a child's developing brain to even get close to the truth about the damage emotional abuse does.

And when it is my word against hers, tell me, how do I prove it?

Thanks so much Minty I've signed it.

Granniesunite

Times are changing and emotional and sexual abusers are being exposed in courts. I’m so sorry that this is your experience but Not all that are estranged are abusers .This is where I for one would welcome my day in court.

This to Violetsky

It’s so sad MissA. That whole situation needs to be investigated to its core. But money resources and such like play a part. In the meAntime again the children are suffering. It s awful.

Times are changing and emotional and sexual abusers are being exposed in courts. I’m so sorry that this is your experience but Not all that are estranged are abusers .This is where I for one would welcome my day in court.

My neighbour has been the one and only trustworthy, dependable influence in her grandchildren lives, and I am including social services in those that have done more harm than good.
I don't know why anyone with a modicum of common sense would seek to deny the children that.

Again, how do I prove my mother emotionally abusive?

She is abusive, if abusers couldn't hide it they wouldnt get away with it.

VioletSky

Granniesunite

Surely if you had abusive parent /grandparents you’d welcome the opportunity to expose them in a court of law. And be vindicated for estranging them in the first place.

I’d willing stand in a court answering questions about my situation. In fact I’d welcome it.

My mother used my sexual abuse to emotionally abuse me further.

That is one example of her emotional abuse.

Now tell me how I prove it.

It’s been proven now. Watch the news,

I’d be happy to wait till the court have investigated the grandparents and made their desk on.

We could go on for hours finding faults on both side with this and in the meantime children are conflicted and unhappy .

Dogs trust can make descions fairly quickly about trust suitability ect surely the brains that sit in our courts could do the same.

I won’t sign this. Family breakdown won’t be prevented or cured by a focus on ‘grandparents’ rights.
I’d support investment in mediation services to support family relationships. They could be available to parents locked into long conflicts on residence and contact as well as grandparents. If there is a history of abuse, mediation isn’t appropriate

I don't think contact should be unsupervised when there is a question mark about the suitability of the person with access.
Again, my neighbour has spent many an hour in supervised access.

Granniesunite

Surely if you had abusive parent /grandparents you’d welcome the opportunity to expose them in a court of law. And be vindicated for estranging them in the first place.

I’d willing stand in a court answering questions about my situation. In fact I’d welcome it.

My mother used my sexual abuse to emotionally abuse me further.

That is one example of her emotional abuse.

Now tell me how I prove it.

Can I ask.

If the Children’s Act was changed to give children the right to continue a relationship with grandparents would that mean that parents would have to go to court to prove that the relationship was damaging.

And in the meantime would grandparents and children continue to have unsupervised contact with each other. Even if the parents thought it was not safe or was not good for the child.

Although the principle of family contact may be good, actually the practice has some major concerns.

It’s not a case of more power over children at all it’s about the children seeing and having a relationship with family that love and care for them.

Surely if you had abusive parent /grandparents you’d welcome the opportunity to expose them in a court of law. And be vindicated for estranging them in the first place.

I’d willing stand in a court answering questions about my situation. In fact I’d welcome it.

So don't sign then.

Right, but I'm nit trying to take away anyone else's right to express their views.

Rights either matter or they don't.

Decide.

I would support children to have more means and education on how to enforce their own rights.

I cannot and will not support adults having more power to fight over them.

Yes it does Granniesunite for the emotional and physical welfare of all children.

The whole system needs looked at.

It matters to everyone, I'm sure, violet.
Whatever their personal circumstances.
For some it is a matter of life or death.

Well, this matters to me for all the GC and GP's who are being deprived of the relationship they had. It wont make any difference to our situation but may help others.

You give your support by signing and don't give your support by not signing. As you say MissA "It's that simple".