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MissAdventure

And by the same token, none of what you are talking about has anything with regard to fit, reasonable, loving grandparents who want the best for their grandchildren.
Once again - every situation, every family is different.

Exactly. Grandchildren.

They already have parents who want the best for them.

It is for parents to decide what is best for their children, not grandparents.

I used to happily skip down to see my nan, although her and my mum hadn't spoken for 3 years.
I don't think my mum was traumatised by that.
I loved them both.

No they don't! Parents matter a lot as well!
It's been proven that healthy parents are better at raising healthy children!

I do not want to see my MIL. A list of estranged people would feel serialised harm at having to see or have any contact with those they have estranged. They deserve a life of happiness just as much as the children.

The children are all that matters.

As long as other parents agree that's all that matters.

I can't say any more than I don't agree, bibbity.

Yes, my neigjbour has spent the last 15 or so years jumping through hoops.
It has wrecked her health, caused her incredible trauma, and still she hangs on, doing as she is told, patiently waiting for her next lot of rules. (Sometimes set by the children as they've grown)

And she is the only one who has - the parents are long gone, happily moved on to new partners, more kids, leaving a trail of destruction behind them.

She would have been stopped if it was up to the parents.

MissAdventure

And by the same token, none of what you are talking about has anything with regard to fit, reasonable, loving grandparents who want the best for their grandchildren.
Once again - every situation, every family is different.

No. Because regardless of how fit and loving they are. They should back off and leave the family alone. They are not the parents and they do not get to make decisions for children that are not theirs.

But there is already a route for them to take Missadventure

Granted they have to jump through hoops but I'd expect any good loving grandparent rather those hoops were there to protect the innocent than an open rotating door

And by the same token, none of what you are talking about has anything with regard to fit, reasonable, loving grandparents who want the best for their grandchildren.
Once again - every situation, every family is different.

MissAdventure

Yes, and then had access cut, as far as I know.

But they did raise the alarm
Ss made mistakes

None of that has anything to do with fit parents who make decisions for their families.

It’s not even what the petition is about (though it’s shoehorned in there for attention).

In an argument about childrens rights somehow posters are saying that grandparents can disrupt a family unit, “on a child’s behalf”, but to suggest that a parent sues a grandparent on a child’s behalf for access is a ludicrous idea.

If it were truly about the child knowing extended family, this would be a welcomed addition.

Sadly I feel the fact that people argue against this makes it seem as though it’s not about children and simply the gratification of grandparents,

Missadventure my first memories are my mum physically abusing me. There are all sorts of stories about how I got my scars but I remember. She was a single mum and resented me. The physical stuff stopped when she met my stepdad. I was also being abused by grand father.

My Dad had court awarded access every other weekend. Other family members saw me regularly. I went to 7 different primary schools.

None of the adults picked up on what was going on.

Trust me, I hate parents like this, I count myself lucky that I survived. It could have all changed in a single moment for me. I'm not saying what I am saying to win an argument, I am saying it because gaining access to children does not stop abuse. The abuser may punish the victim for that access though an I know that all too well.

Yes, and then had access cut, as far as I know.

It was definitely a failing by social services. Didn't grandparents in both recent cases raise the alarm?

Most grandparents kept in touch by zoom and facetime.

It was also lockdown for one of them at least I believe. So they would not have been seeing the GPs anyway.

If you say so.

The child died in the parents care. The GPs would not have gained custody the child was still in their care.
In the UK visitation with grandparents is often decided in months or indirect contact.

Only professionals would've saved those children. They are who failed them and a very very small instance should not dictate and entire country.

Because for even dead toddler GPs can throw at parents parents have a lot more stories of abusive Grandparents.

GG65
Its bugger all to do with un hurting the "poor" grandparents feelings!
The point (again!) is to do what's best for the children.

MissAdventure

But that is how they are used, sometimes.
How many threads on here are there about walking on eggshells, so as to be allowed to stay in the grandchildren lives?
Plenty.

1. One sided stories
2. If people struggle to follow other boundaries that's on them and not the concern of anyone else.

Sadly, social services didn't do the best job of protecting a child who was hobbling along in her leg, which had been broken by twisting it, Bibbity.
I think it's fair to say they were lax.

Who would contact social services if it’s the parents that are abusing?

MissAdventure

I don't suppose a court would give a second thought to the parents, and who they were vindictive to.
Again, though, I would expect the court to disregard that and act in a child's best interests.

The courts do act in a child’s best interests. But they are about as interested in whether a grandparent feels the parents are being “vindictive” than they are about whether a spouse was unfaithful in divorce proceedings.

It is not about the grandparents being vindicated.

It would have allowed the grandparents access, which the parents had denied.
They never got to see their grandchild once they had shone a light on possible abuse.

And how heartbreaking for their GP's MissA who tried to protect them but were unable too.