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Do abusive people know they are abusive?

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VioletSky Wed 27-Jul-22 15:01:54

This is the one thing I have never been able to figure out.

Whether we are talking about an abusive parent, an abusive adult child or an abusive partner of an estranged adult child...

Do they know they are abusive?

Or do they think they are right and justified in their actions?

Is that why they are so easily able to convince others around them to either join in on that behaviour, defend them or convince a partner to estrange a family member?

Do they think that others are deserving of bad treatment?

Do they genuinely think that their world view is the only right and fair one and anyone who doesn't agree must be othered somehow?

I remember so well how my mother taught me I was deserving of abuse, that I wasn't good enough, that I wasn't worthy of love.

Did she truly believe that about me and thought she was right all along?

A big part of me thinks that they must know, or they wouldn't deny their own behaviour, they wouldn't gaslight, they wouldn't tell you you are too sensitive or imagining things...

But recently I'm not so sure, maybe it starts out small, maybe there was a thing that you did that they didn't like and they don't know how to forgive and it escalated from there as you react to their behaviour and they decide your reaction is what defines you.

Maybe they think you deserve to be punished and the gaslighting is simply to ensure that you stick around to get it.

VioletSky Wed 27-Jul-22 18:11:47

So I always thought passive aggression was the little messages meant to dig at you in comments that otherwise look polite...

What is that called?

Kate1949 Wed 27-Jul-22 18:07:31

Thank you. I've often wondered!

Madgran77 Wed 27-Jul-22 18:06:22

www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/passive-aggressive-examples

This may be of interest for those asking for clarification

VioletSky Wed 27-Jul-22 18:03:35

Do not worry, proper gravy that you can't see through

Smileless2012 Wed 27-Jul-22 18:02:33

Don't forget the gravy.

VioletSky Wed 27-Jul-22 18:01:29

Will do my best

Madgran77 Wed 27-Jul-22 18:00:54

Violet turn up the heat really high in the oven. You can rescue those potatoes! ?

Sara1954 Wed 27-Jul-22 17:59:29

Madgran
Same here, reading it all but have decided this one’s not for me
Enjoy your supper Violetsky

Smileless2012 Wed 27-Jul-22 17:59:11

Yeah no problem, just cover them with gravy.

Madgran77 Wed 27-Jul-22 17:59:07

Never mind the potatoes vs no one cares about them, it's the chops they'll be really bothered about.

No I don't agree Smileless roast potatoes are the best! Pork chops - not interested! (I don't like meat!) ?

VioletSky Wed 27-Jul-22 17:57:58

O actually forgot to turn the grill on so will go focus on the chops now

VioletSky Wed 27-Jul-22 17:57:27

Are you sure?

Just look at this mess

Smileless2012 Wed 27-Jul-22 17:55:10

Never mind the potatoes vs no one cares about them, it's the chops they'll be really bothered about.

Stiller Wed 27-Jul-22 17:54:56

@Smileless

No sweat off my back smile

Madgran77 Wed 27-Jul-22 17:54:48

I hope you can save both your pork chops and your potatoes Violet

I think this is an interesting discussion, good thread to start. I haven't contributed so far but have read through it all.

I truly can't see anything said that suggests you are being blamed for anything though.

Smileless2012 Wed 27-Jul-22 17:53:45

And I will ensure to ignore all subsequent comments from you Stiller.

VioletSky Wed 27-Jul-22 17:53:13

Smileless2012

Well I don't want to take you away from your pork chopsgrin.

My husband is going to laugh at me "chatting away online again were you?"

I should have just not tried to salvage the potatoes and mashed them, stupid choice to shove them in the oven.

I must admit, im the sort of person whose brain needs to be kept busy. My job more than accomplishes this and knowing I have 5 weeks off... ugh

That and a trapped nerve and no car at the moment has left me without enough to do and my brain filling the gaps with all sorts of questions and nonsense.

Got lots to look forward to starting tomorrow though

Kate1949 Wed 27-Jul-22 17:52:36

Thank you.

Stiller Wed 27-Jul-22 17:51:23

Kate1949

Can someone explain what passive aggressive means please? I've never understood it. Thanks.

It’s a cowardly manner of expressing disdain.

Kate1949 Wed 27-Jul-22 17:50:44

Can someone explain what passive aggressive means please? I've never understood it. Thanks.

Stiller Wed 27-Jul-22 17:48:12

@Smileless,
My perception is mine. I don’t need to be told how to interpret what I read. It was passive aggressive. I don’t need anyone else to dictate to me how to receive the rudeness. Your opinion is yours; mine is mine. Agree to disagree. But I will ensure to ignore all subsequent comments from that poster.

Smileless2012 Wed 27-Jul-22 17:47:23

Well I don't want to take you away from your pork chopsgrin.

VioletSky Wed 27-Jul-22 17:44:07

Smileless2012

Well it doesn't help when someone posts "I see through passive aggression quite well ftr" and it is directed at someone who clearly isn't being passive aggressive.

There's been a lot of unpleasantness on this forum recently and people are reacting accordingly.

I know, it's very hard not to feel like I am being blamed so I'm just focusing on saving the pork chops

Smileless2012 Wed 27-Jul-22 17:42:21

Well it doesn't help when someone posts "I see through passive aggression quite well ftr" and it is directed at someone who clearly isn't being passive aggressive.

There's been a lot of unpleasantness on this forum recently and people are reacting accordingly.

Stiller Wed 27-Jul-22 17:40:41

It wasn’t helpful to unnecessarily question why I am engaging with any individual poster either, but here we are. Rudeness shouldn’t be okay, no matter the source. If it’s directed at me I respond accordingly. I’ve learned in life to nip bullying in the bud before it turns into a monster. Past experiences and all wink