Harry: "I want my Father back. I want my brother back"

Several of us are on intimate terms with H and M, didn’t you know that ?

You could read the aticle I linked to and that wouldn't need any googling at all.

Did they ask for less (or even NO) press intrusiveness?

Asking cos I can't remember all the gory details and can't be botheres to search. Some of you, very handily, are full of the requisite knowledge so I'm using Gransnet instead of ggl. 🙂

They still didn't ask for privacy though.

So when they do things that get in the media, spouting the lie about "they just wanted privacy, why are they doing this?" isn't the killer argument some people think it is.

Ok, so Queen Elizabeth II’s official statement that announced the end of the so-called #Megxit negotiations on Jan. 18, 2020, made this even more clear, noting that the Sussexes sought a “happy and peaceful” and “more independent” life — not a more private one.

I suppose sometimes we think others want what we would want. This is why "do as you would be done by" doesn't work. We all want different things. Maybe we just wished them privacy.

They didn't say they wanted privacy.

www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/harry-and-meghan-privacy-false-narrative

But why should we worry about telling the truth in such a thread? Just believe what the press tells you and insist that the opposition to them has nothing to do with the press.

"No delicate family matter was ever improved by a third party stirring it vigorously, and then standing back watching the fall-out."

I agree. Also, no family matter was ever improved by the silence of estrangement or the vitriol of criticism. I can understand the throughtfulness of Low Contact, giving space, taking space- in a mindful way, bowing out quietly even . It would be better to be quiet for a while and work out a way forwards that's less damaging. If only they had sought the privacy that they said they wanted.

Can someone show this to the king of England

Just one statement in defense of #MeghanMarkIe would have been enough

King of Norway put out a statement to condemn the racism spewed at his Black African Son-in-law #PrincessMarthaLouise. Great father

Did not speak out against Clarkson

The media won't leave them alone because H&M are relying on the media. All this stuff is for the media to get hold of.

The only people I feel sorry for is Archie and Lilibet. They won't be tiny forever. I guess they might have a few questions.

I really think the whole situation would be much improved if certain sections of the media stopped stirring the squabbling pot.

It can't be helping, as most of these contrived fluff articles are opinion, gossip, supposition and guesswork by journalists..

No delicate family matter was ever improved by a third party stirring it vigorously, and then standing back watching the fall-out.

Diana always said that the media danced to the palace PR tune, but it has got a bit ridiculous now - there are pages and pages of this endless soap opera in some papers.🙄

Meanwhile, buried in their latter pages are some relevant articles about what affects us all - inflation, NHS, strikes, increasing homelessness, heating or eating etc.

The Royals are actors of sorts, as they portray the image of themselves, in public, that they choose to. Very, very few people actually know what any of them are actually like behind closed doors.

Best if the media leave it alone now, and let the family sort it all out (or not). 😗

MawtheMerrier

Whether you are “for” H &M’s side of the debate or the RF’s, how can Prince Harry not see the irony that he's using the media to publicly say he wants his family back in exactly the same way Thomas Markle did re Meghan - for which Harry and Meghan slammed him and cut him off?

So true.

But then, these are the same people who needed "privacy" but went on Oprah and broadcast everything.

I genuinely think they have acted foolishly and without considering the consequences of their actions, for them and their kids.

What did they expect to happen?

I heard that they ignored the Royal advisers when they were in the RF. Unwise. Anyone in the public eye needs a good advisor.

Diana was quite subtle. She said a lot without saying a lot in words- she knew the power of body language and clothes and even where a photograph was taken, such as the one in front of the Taj Mahal. We know things in the RF are not ideal, due to things she did say- but, its probably one of those organisations where you have to put up, shut up and fit in- or do what Edward V111 did and leave the monarchy quietly to live a life with his love.

When H&M got together and we discovered that M was of mixed ethnicity, I think many of us felt in this country where there are so many similar mixed ethnicity marriages, that their marriage showed how normal such marriages are, even in the RF.

Sadly we now have an RF strggling with estrangement, like so many other families: an AC has got married and gone off in a huff, shouting their wrongs to the sky, while puzzled parent and siblings are left wondering what happened and saying little in order not to exacerbate the situation.

I’ll include that then.

Whether you are “for” H &M’s side of the debate or the RF’s

A person can be neither.

Whether you are “for” H &M’s side of the debate or the RF’s, how can Prince Harry not see the irony that he's using the media to publicly say he wants his family back in exactly the same way Thomas Markle did re Meghan - for which Harry and Meghan slammed him and cut him off?

"They've shown no desire to reconcile" Extract from the forthcoming interview. Charles invited them for Christmas, which they turned down

I wonder just how much he is being manipulated and how much of this genuinely comes from his own heart. We will never know. Is he thick and naïve? Is he wanting to have the monarchy fail ?Again, it is hard to know

I don’t hate Harry or Meghan but I definitely loathe their actions towards the royal family.
I think that anyone associated with them will be extremely wary of ending up being used in their ‘truth’ campaign.
It’s interesting that Harry seems to think he can slag off his family, causing unimaginable hurt and distress yet think that once he’s finished with them everything will be ok.
Very strange thought process.
Thank goodness this didn’t start being shown/published when the Queen was alive- I bet Prince Philip would have sorted him out (or would Harry have not dared to do it if he’d been alive?)
In some ways Harry is actually a bully and a coward, attacking those who he all too well knows cannot defend themselves in public. A very nasty trait.

I do not even entertain the ridiculous idea that the royal family had her killed. If they had wanted that they would had it done properly because the chance of the factors prevailing that night were by no means certain. How could anyone be certain her driver would be drunk or know he would be speeding? How could anyone know Diana wouldn’t wear a seatbelt?

Anyway the grandparents, the Queen and Prince Philip, would not want to impose the loss of their mother on the young princes. No loving grandparents would want to do that.

…was she killed or was it a genuine accident?

I really cannot accept speculation about Diana’s death such as this. Diana was in a car that was being driven by a man who was drunk and speeding. She was not wearing a seat belt.
That says it all. It was obviously a horrible accident.

Smileless2012

A change of heart and a change of perspective Onward.

I honestly don't know what he expects his father and brother to do. Are they really ever likely to have a private heart to heart with him when in all likelihood, it will be plastered all over the media?

I quite agree. It would seem dear Harry finds himself caught up in the consequences of his own actions. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you

VS

You know, she can't speak for herself

Of course she would love both her boys... but she wouldn't be rugsweeping that's for sure.

She wouldn't be putting image before doing the right thing.

If you look at her life at all you'd know that

I wouldn’t know anything of the sort, but I could make assumptions based on what I read and saw on the media.
Even those who did know her, put their own slant on what they report.

Callistemon I did not say I loved her, do not misquote me.

You know, she can't speak for herself

Of course she would love both her boys... but she wouldn't be rugsweeping that's for sure.

She wouldn't be putting image before doing the right thing.

If you look at her life at all you'd know that

Diana believed in the monarchy and loved her older son just as much as she loved Harry.
She would probably have been distraught at what is happening.

However, I don't know for sure because I didn't know her and therefore could not love her.