Harry: "I want my Father back. I want my brother back"

The RF is not like any ‘normal family'

What is a normal family?

Harry is definitely right on one thing, they should be a family, not an institution. There's only one way to do that. #NotMyKing #AbolishTheMonarchy

Never complain never explain (like mafioso)

But the do to their press they don’t keep quiet.

Firstly I am not a royalist and would do away with them ASAP.

However when I look at the human aspects of this I feel Harry is a sensitive and very damaged person who would benefit from (years of) therapy. I do have compassion for him.

His family history goes like this.... His mother was used to make babies , heirs to the throne, for the royal family... of which he was the result. His father married his mother, not because he loved her, but quite the opposite he was in love with another woman. Not a good dynamic to grow up in.

Naturally his mother had a lot of difficulties, as anyone in her situation would. I think she was genuinely very naive initially but then found herself in the dirty trickery of the having been manipulated. Who wouldn't become unstable in that situation.

His mothers difficulties were then spread all over the world...as though she were the 'in the wrong' person. Then was she killed or was it a genuine accident? We will never know, but more importantly neither will he.

Instead of his mother being here still he has to witness the 'mistress' now being the queen!! A constant reminder of his mothers plight.

Being a weakened person he met a strong and manipulative woman who offered a place of safety but has her own deeper difficult issues.

I don't judge anyone here.. they are all doing the best they can in a very unhealthy and damaging dynamic.

And is it not correct that a victim speak out? Or, is it because its the royal family he is supposed to just stay quiet and suffer in silence. His big brother seems to be much better at keeping the mask on for the sake of the firm.

All of the people involved here would benefit from family therapy where they would all be in a safe space and not able to act out but to be supported, heard and listened to. I don't imagine that will be happening any time soon!

I'm not condoning Harry's behaviour but seeking to understand why.

They say don't wash your dirty linen in public... but is whitewashing the situation any better?

No posing for the press

Maybe not, but plenty of pictures of the children via Netflix documentary. Complete contrast to back-of-the-head or views of feet in the past.

I didn’t trust Megan when they got engaged and said so.

A blind date with a man in his 30’s and all you ask your friend who set up the date ‘is he nice’.

Harry is the product of a dysfunctional family. The RF is not like any ‘normal family’ and fits the definition of being dysfunctional. Diana herself came from a dysfunctional family. Harry is doing himself no favours but dysfunctionalism continues. If only he would stop mithering and enjoy the family that he has. Meghan is not helping him either. He has serious problems.

Glorianny

Callistemon21

Of course they’re being discussed. Their whole livelihood revolve around being listened to and discussed

tickingbird every time we start to forget about them, up they pop again, seeking the limelight.

Sorry, I did think well done, good luck when they first left for a quiet life away from the media publicity which Harry hates so much. Instead they have pursued publicity at every opportunity.

He hasn't realised that he cannot control the media, although he tries.

I think what they wanted was to control the publicity, which they have undoubtedly done. The way they have protected their children is admiral. No posing for the press, no Christmas card with the children on it. They have a private life.

Just like Edward’s children then Glorianny? They have been keeping their children’s lives private all their lives. There’s more than one way to skin a cat, isn’t there? Seriously, the best way to control the publicity is to avoid the headlines.

tickingbird

Same here Callistemon. I even posted on this forum when it was announced they were leaving. Maybe Volver will ferret it out? I didn’t see anything wrong with them wanting to forge a new life abroad. It’s their behaviour since that has altered my opinion of them.

Who could blame them?
Life in a goldfish bowl can't be easy.

But Harry courts more adverse publicity at every opportunity.
I just don't understand him.

volver

Good advice Callistlemon! Other advice that springs to mind is "If you haven't got anything nice to say, be quiet!

Is that advice for grans too?

If it is will you heed it? I’ll plump for ‘no’

I agree about the children, Glorianny and I hope they can lead as normal a life as possible.
However, the apparent family rifts mean they will most likely be estranged from nearly all their family on both sides.

Same here Callistemon. I even posted on this forum when it was announced they were leaving. Maybe Volver will ferret it out? I didn’t see anything wrong with them wanting to forge a new life abroad. It’s their behaviour since that has altered my opinion of them.

Callistemon21

^Of course they’re being discussed. Their whole livelihood revolve around being listened to and discussed^

tickingbird every time we start to forget about them, up they pop again, seeking the limelight.

Sorry, I did think well done, good luck when they first left for a quiet life away from the media publicity which Harry hates so much. Instead they have pursued publicity at every opportunity.

He hasn't realised that he cannot control the media, although he tries.

I think what they wanted was to control the publicity, which they have undoubtedly done. The way they have protected their children is admiral. No posing for the press, no Christmas card with the children on it. They have a private life.

women must be quiet and dignified at all times and no swearing please, it will upset the men

Good advice Callistlemon! Other advice that springs to mind is "If you haven't got anything nice to say, be quiet!

Is that advice for grans too?

Difference is tickingbird, your list is things they've actually said, and my list is things spouted repeatedly by people who have never met them (probably) but know all about their lives. Apparently. 🤷🏼

Do you understand the difference in this context?

I'm going to plump for "no".

Of course they’re being discussed. Their whole livelihood revolve around being listened to and discussed

tickingbird every time we start to forget about them, up they pop again, seeking the limelight.

Sorry, I did think well done, good luck when they first left for a quiet life away from the media publicity which Harry hates so much. Instead they have pursued publicity at every opportunity.

He hasn't realised that he cannot control the media, although he tries.

welbeck

no class system/pedestal in America ? really ?
how come there are such phrases as,
white trailer trash etc.
and people boast of their income, that they live in an affluent area, and there are strong residents' groups to keep out the wrong sort of people.
most countries have their own class system.

Interesting point. I have an American friend who once said to me: "You are a foreigner. You just don't understand the concept of the American Dream " To which I replied "You are a foreigner and don't understand the British class system".

Diana would have loved Harry speaking out lol

I respected the Queen too. Shame Harry did not respect her enough to wait until she had died before starting to complain publicly .

I would rather not have the money. No amount of money would induce me to "name and shame" my family by writing a book. It's amazing and sad that they ever thought it could be appropriate. I think Diana would be very sad for her boys.

Well, Meghan's wedding ring is made of Welsh gold. Does that count.

And Meghan means 'pearl'

Tbh it feels like what the Palace learned from diana was that the ideal woman keeps her mouth shut and tows the company line.

I don't really approve of the example this sets for young girls.

Kate did less work than late queen last year, heck less work than the Duke of bloomin Gloucester, but she keeps her ideas small, so the press heaps on the praise.

I respected the Queen but the time for monarchy is in the past now i feel.

Good advice Callistlemon! Other advice that springs to mind is "If you haven't got anything nice to say, be quiet!"
I'm grateful to get support here anonymously, but if it was not anon, there is no way I would drag my family's name through the mud.

Most of us on the Estrangement threads are here for support because we haven't been able to reach a good conclusion with family, despite our best efforts. None of us have gone to the newspapers, magazines, TV, Oprah and many of us have extremely traumatic tales too.

I could write a book if I wanted to as well. But I wouldn't do that. It is annoying that someone can make money off exposing what's "wrong" with their family and then do the "poor me's" when the book is predicted to be a flop.

If Harry wishes to have his father and his brother back, whatever that means, he needs to apologise to them. Privately. Then he needs to shut up.
This a family disagreement but also a business fall-out, resulting in remaining members having to take on more duties.
He and Meghan have talked endlessly about their problems so we do know a great deal about them, more than we do about our neighbours, I suspect, and as they have made their private affairs public we are all entitled to express our opinions.
I certainly despise people who, having fallen out with their family and friends for whatever reason then talk endlessly and publicly, even on social media, about what should be personal and private matters. The royal family have a right of reply but choose not to sink to the level of their accusers. Harry and Meghan have not only used all the media resources at their disposal, they have used them as a means of earning money, and that is despicable.
Neither of the Windsors carped about their treatment in the way Harry and Meghan have, even though the Duke was greatly dismayed to discover they would not be able to live in England following his abdication. H & M chose to leave, they were not banished.

Anniebach

Glorianny your post ‘dead or dead quiet’ so reminded me of a trisher mocking, ‘they are like 1950’s housewives’, she certainly had no knowledge of S.Wales women.

Sorry but are there South Wales women in the RF?

volver

You're doing it again.

I'm really tempted to create a Harry and Meghan Bingo card. It will include:

He always looks so miserable.
I don't hate him, I feel sorry for him
He's got nothing else to sell (Note to self - don't mention Invictus or the documentary series he produced.)
He upset our poor, late queen.
He upset our poor, late queen's poor, late husband.
She wants to bring down the monarchy.
He'll regret it eventually, then what....
She'll leave him, wait and see...

This bias is bizarre. This is an online forum for grans (or not) to discuss all sorts of stuff; quite often stuff in the news.

I could do the same post as yours regarding H&M.

You’re doing it again and again and again…..

I was the spare
I love my grandmother the Queen and need to ensure she has the right people around her.
I have wanted out from the RF for years.
My brother and father are trapped.
We wanted to be half in and half out but ‘they’ wouldn’t stand for that (note to self I wonder why he’d want to stay half in if he’d wanted out for all those years? Kudos and money?)
Oprah interview when grandfather dying - main thrust of interview UK and RF racist. We’re such hard done by victims.

Six part Netflix series - much filmed whilst his ‘much loved’ grandmother was alive. Allegations re racist members of RF but never name anyone - just toss it out there.

Interviews re mental health.
Books - Finding Freedom now Spare.

Of course they’re being discussed. Their whole livelihood revolve around being listened to and discussed.

Now Daddy and brother aren’t making overtures for reconciliation he bleats. Can anyone blame them? What a dreadful position to be in. They know any contact will be turned into more money spinning content for their ongoing moanfest.