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Mamasperspective Sun 12-May-24 21:19:55

Hi Gransnet,

I have been a member for some time now and, although not a gran myself, I am an older mum (early/mid 40s) to 2 little people (toddler and baby). Partner and I are very happy and settled in our relationship and our kids are happy and thriving.

For context - after giving birth to my first, it felt like MIL was trying to take over my motherhood experience and it negatively impacted me and my ability to bond with my new baby. I had waited 9 months to meet the child who I had grown inside me and carried for all that time and it felt like MIL became quite territorial over my baby (my mum passed before my children were born) which created a lot of resentment.

Since then, both partner and I had an open yet polite and respectful conversation with MIL on how her actions had impacted me and my experience as I was pregnant again and didn't want the same experience the second time round.

The response I got made her out to be the victim, it was extremely passive aggressive and she was throwing in example of things that had happened to her throughout her life that had nothing to do with me or baby. She then made the decision to cut me off but she still wanted to see her son and our child, just without me.8

Anyway MIL has not spoken to me for a year (I have reached out a few times) and she has now been stopped having access to our 2 children.

My kids are young and kids do not develop autobiographical memory before the age of 4/5 so my eldest will never remember her being around and she never met my youngest.

I joined this site during the periods where I was reaching out and wanting resolution as I hoped that, by looking at others experiences, it would help me understand her train of thought but now I am completely done with her.

Please, for anyone estranged, feel free to ask me anything so that I may attempt to provide some context from a DIL's point of view.

I will be completely honest anbout my experience and not sugar coat anything but at the same time I will do my upmost to be kind and respectful so I just ask the same from anyone commenting.

I just feel like if communication was more open and everyone was willing to look more objectively at their own behaviour (as well as being mindful that things are different now to years ago) then many (not all) of these situations could be avoided.

All my partner and I wanted was to build our own little family together and there has been so much drama that, in my mind, was completely unnecessary. I may ask questions in response but please understand this is because I'm still trying to understand why someone would want to handle a situation in the way it has been handled.

VioletSky Mon 13-May-24 20:09:51

User138562

I'm assuming OP did not see MIL marching through the home and immediately assume she was going to harm their child. And the incident caused the end of MIL's access. So there is nothing to criticize there.

Agreed...

Estranging a family member is incredibly difficult, especially when it is your partner's mother. Sometimes we give these people far too many chances but we do that because we are good people and we hope they can be better.

They only have themselves to blame when we walk away

Smileless2012 Mon 13-May-24 19:22:20

Exactly DL.

Smileless2012 Mon 13-May-24 19:21:54

So there is nothing to criticise there or talk about really as the m.i.l. has been estranged, she doesn't see her son or GC and the OP's done with her.

DiamondLily Mon 13-May-24 19:20:57

Well, if there is no contact now, the situation is now sorted out.👍

User138562 Mon 13-May-24 19:12:38

I'm assuming OP did not see MIL marching through the home and immediately assume she was going to harm their child. And the incident caused the end of MIL's access. So there is nothing to criticize there.

Smileless2012 Mon 13-May-24 19:09:34

I don't think the OP does want to resume a relationship with her eazybee, her partner no longer sees his mum so she doesn't see her GC and she said in her OP that she's "completely done with her".

Time to move on.

crazyH Mon 13-May-24 18:29:41

I mean, families are complicated ….

crazyH Mon 13-May-24 18:26:48

Yes Miss A 😫

NotSpaghetti Mon 13-May-24 18:20:35

My daughter-in-law has a mother who repeatedly "helped" her with her 1st baby. She later told me she felt useless as a new mum and unable to stop it. But, she grew in strength and her mum was warned off baby 2.
We don't all get everything "right" first time.

DiamondLily Mon 13-May-24 18:04:19

VioletSky

DiamondLily

Well, I wouldn’t have just sat there. But, then I’m a gobby person who would have slung anyone out who tried to harm my kids.🙄

You've said this 3 or 4 times now

I think OP has done a wonderful job in protecting her child and doesn't need to be held to account here when it is not her behaviour at fault

Please think about how your comments may come across

I wasn’t holding anyone to account, and I’ve not said it multiple times.

Obviously, everyone should protect their children, from anyone who is causing harm, and I’m sure you would agree with that.🙂

It’s common sense. 🤷‍♀️

eazybee Mon 13-May-24 18:02:19

Umm.
I do not understand why the OP feels the need to resume any sort of relationship with her mother in law after her dangerous behaviour.
If it is true.

VioletSky Mon 13-May-24 17:41:21

DiamondLily

Well, I wouldn’t have just sat there. But, then I’m a gobby person who would have slung anyone out who tried to harm my kids.🙄

You've said this 3 or 4 times now

I think OP has done a wonderful job in protecting her child and doesn't need to be held to account here when it is not her behaviour at fault

Please think about how your comments may come across

Smileless2012 Mon 13-May-24 17:29:10

I think anyone taking a baby away from her mother, keeping hold of her for hours and refusing to give her back is more than a walking red flag Hithere shock.

For a start the baby would have needed feeding and changing at the very least over a few hours.

DiamondLily Mon 13-May-24 17:27:35

Hithere

Mama

Your mil is a walking red flag from the very beginning.

"From LO being born she would take my baby from me and keep hold of her for hours and refuse to hand her back - for a new mum with post birth hormones all over the place this causes so much stress and anxiety."
Post birth hormones have NOTHING to do with this.

Imagine you buy the car of your dreams, after months of waiting to be delivered and saving and somebody "borrows" the keys for hours to test drive it.

That said person is rude! No hormones involved at all and that person needs to be put in her/his place

I agree with you. No one would normally just sit there whilst someone else ran off with their car keys.

Any more than most people would sit there whilst someone refused to hand baby back, and fed them a product that would harm them.🤷‍♀️

Odd all round.🤔

Hithere Mon 13-May-24 17:23:04

Mama

Your mil is a walking red flag from the very beginning.

"From LO being born she would take my baby from me and keep hold of her for hours and refuse to hand her back - for a new mum with post birth hormones all over the place this causes so much stress and anxiety."
Post birth hormones have NOTHING to do with this.

Imagine you buy the car of your dreams, after months of waiting to be delivered and saving and somebody "borrows" the keys for hours to test drive it.

That said person is rude! No hormones involved at all and that person needs to be put in her/his place

Smileless2012 Mon 13-May-24 17:22:09

They certainly can be MissA and as the OP and her partner no longer see her m.i.l./his mother or their children their GM, hopefully she can put it behind her and move on.

MissAdventure Mon 13-May-24 17:16:01

Families.
Complicated things aren't they?

Smileless2012 Mon 13-May-24 17:08:50

But, then I'm a gobby person who would have slung anyone out who tried to harm my kids I'm with you there DL.

The OP said in a later post that she got on well with her m.i.l. before the children came along MissA which isn't uncommon in these situations.

We got on very well with ES's wife until she became pregnant and went on to have our GC, or at least we thought we did but looking back the signs were there, we just didn't read them.

MissAdventure Mon 13-May-24 17:05:53

I'd expect my partner to deal with his mother, but then I can only assume the family dynamics were always revolving around a dominant matriarch.

DiamondLily Mon 13-May-24 17:02:27

Well, I wouldn’t have just sat there. But, then I’m a gobby person who would have slung anyone out who tried to harm my kids.🙄

MissAdventure Mon 13-May-24 17:00:43

I wanted to ask what the relationship was like between the partners and their mums before the children came along, please?

Did the sons just do as they were told when they were single?

Smileless2012 Mon 13-May-24 16:58:53

Very odd behaviour, giving anyone something that would make them ill DL let alone a baby. You'd certainly ensure they were never out of sight with them again wouldn't you.

DiamondLily Mon 13-May-24 16:54:21

No, giving chocolate to a child that age is stupid. I don’t quite get why two parents would sit there whilst the mil stormed past with chocolate though…🤔

VioletSky Mon 13-May-24 16:31:16

Mamasperspective sadly your story is not stand alone... I've heard many such. I myself had an awful experience when my 4 month old lactose intolerant baby with severe reflux was given icecream. Absolutely shouted down and torn to pieces when I protested. He threw up all over the offender then screamed the place down for hours. It was an awful experience.

It can actually be quite hard for new mums to stand up to what feels like "experienced adults". So when they do something so monumentally stupid despite a doctor's advice you absolutely know it is their fault. They, like a child, made a bad choice knowing the potential outcome because they wanted to be in power over you.

That is unforgivable and not a safe person to be around any child.

You as a mum protected your child from a dangerous human and should be applauded.

NotSpaghetti Mon 13-May-24 15:19:44

Thank you Mamasperspective I did think it was chocolate related.
Anal fissures are horrendous.