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Have you ever estranged a relative?

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NiceDream Fri 20-Jun-25 20:59:51

I feel a little alone in this forum

StTrinians Fri 27-Feb-26 19:19:45

I have had to go no contact with my sister and her grown up children. It was to protect my mental health, as they were emotionally abusive, with no boundaries. Sadly, it looks as though my daughter has gone no contact with me. I think she has done it due to her mental health. Upsetting as it is, I have begun to accept it. There really is nothing else I can do. I have been through the 7 stages of grief. It's like someone has died, the person I had hoped she would be differs from the person she is. I do realise that it is not about me, but her, but that still leaves a painful sense of loss, and disbelief. At the end of the day, we have to accept how things are and try to move on. I hope that this helps. I hope that things will improve for you. Time does eventually heal, and perhaps things will get better. I'm still an optimist at heart, despite the sadness. Good luck. Don't give up hope.

Poss Tue 15-Jul-25 19:46:28

Yes, I have estranged my mother and sister- I turned 60 and decided I could not continue in relationships with them.

Leo58 Tue 15-Jul-25 19:34:25

DreamDee

Yes, my husband and I are in the pipeline to become estranged with his parents. I joined hoping to find others who estranged a family member, but it does seem the majority of these posts are from people who had estrangement happen to them rather than the reverse.

Unfortunately, my MIL's behavior was getting to the point where it is far easier to not talk to her at all. She was always a little off (would become enraged easily and fly off the handle) but it got 10x worse once we were engaged.

Want to buy a new car? She doesn't think that's a good idea and will harass us and try to convince us to do things how she would. Full temper tantrums, hours long phone calls, constant text messages.

Want to have your wedding the way you want? Nope.

Countless screaming phone calls over inane crap. She wanted us to spend hundreds on outfits for the rehearsal, tried to call our venue that she was not paying for in any way to make changes without our permission, emailed our vendors to make changes or add 'a surprise' (which was just an idea we already shot down). She lost it when we selected our date, was angry that I had a smaller bridal shower, was pissed that she 'wasn't included'. Kept saying she was losing a son.

She also bad mouthed our wedding planning to people at the wedding, was sour during the photos because it was raining (like that's our fault), and complained that the photographer didn't get enough pictures of her. Despite all of this, she posted about our wedding to FB (before we did and without asking) acting like it was her day. I was in two of the 15 photo collage.

She failed to realize that we actually had plans of including them, but she ruined it. She couldn't have a single phone call with either of us without becoming enraged.

We are cutting her off if the next conversation goes poorly about house hunting. She is a newly licensed real estate agent and, despite living 2 hours away from us, believes that we MUST use her as our agent. If we don't, she's said that our relationship will never be the same and that essentially she'll never forgive us. Nevermind the fact that it is never a good idea to use family for such a purchase, but she is also inexperienced, doesn't know our area, would have to trek two hours to show us any homes and, of course, she historically has made everything harder!

We are still months out from being ready to buy, but she keeps suggesting properties to us. All of which are outside the area we want to live (which she knows) and most of which would put me well over an hour away from my job (that doesn't matter because I can always 'get a new job', according to her). All the properties she's sent, though, have been conveniently closer to her though!

The whole family enables her. They either lie to her, or give into whatever she wants, even if it's not in their best interest. My BIL was convinced out of buying a new car and instead took their old clunker (and paid them for it!) and it died not three months later, so he was out that money and had to buy a new one. All to avoid her wrath.

Even my husband's childhood friends have spoken of her issues. None of them wanted to go over his house growing up because of her volatility. She is also a permanent victim in her own head. I don't think I've ever heard her utter a real apology. The best you'll get is "I'm sorry, BUT"

She outright told my husband that she doesn't view him as an equal. She's called him names, called me names, and called my parents names.

She often posts in FB 'empty nest' or 'estrangement' forums and I've seen a few of the posts. She never actually admits she's done anything to cause the estrangement. Only that her 'evil DILs' (his other brother and wife are also teetering on no contact) have stolen her boys. That they were turned against her. That a 'son is a son until he takes a wife'. No reflection, no accountability, no desire to repair that would require any work on her part. We are expected to simply come back to the table and accept that she will always be like this and that 'she won't change for anyone' (her words).

As tough as I'm sure it is for her, and I have no doubt that this is deeply hurting her, it has come to a point where we have to choose between enabling her to 'save' the relationship or letting her go and hoping she gets the help she needs to have a productive and positive relationship with us.

That sounds pretty bad, and I don’t blame you for wanting to estrange your MIL. The one thing I would suggest before you do, however, is to have an honest and open conversation with her about it. Actually, it’s your husband who should be having this talk. Make sure she understands what she does that hurts you, what it means to go NC and lay down clear conditions under which you would be willing to continue the relationship. She might not be willing to change, but at least you can rest easy knowing that you tried and it was her decision in the end.

Smileless2012 Tue 15-Jul-25 19:26:26

Thank you GN smile.

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Allsorts Tue 15-Jul-25 18:39:51

Once again he(they) are back. Obviously bored.

Smileless2012 Tue 15-Jul-25 17:27:04

It looks like estrangement was right for you mrsmeldrew.

mrsmeldrew Tue 15-Jul-25 16:06:43

I cut off all contact with my mother aged 21. She was an awful, nasty, toxic and bitter woman and I had an awful childhood and teenage years. At one point my lovely Auntie offered to adopt me but my mother preferred to have someone close at hand to abuse. Of course back then there was no childline.

I had psychological counselling when I was 40 due to periods of anxiety and depression and this was very helpful. I also had support from a wonderful caring husband.

She made periodic attempts to get back in touch with me and I succumbed aged 50 as she said she didn't have long to live. That was a lie and I soon discovered she had not changed an iota, she refused to acknowledge how she treated me and I accidentally saw an email she had written about her "nasty" daughter.

I stopped all contact and she died 9 years later. She had cut off all ties to her sisters and fallen out with any friends and neighbours.

I did feel an incredible lightness of being after the second estrangement and I barely think of her now.

Smileless2012 Tue 15-Jul-25 15:45:21

Good grief shock.

DreamDee Tue 15-Jul-25 15:17:54

Yes, my husband and I are in the pipeline to become estranged with his parents. I joined hoping to find others who estranged a family member, but it does seem the majority of these posts are from people who had estrangement happen to them rather than the reverse.

Unfortunately, my MIL's behavior was getting to the point where it is far easier to not talk to her at all. She was always a little off (would become enraged easily and fly off the handle) but it got 10x worse once we were engaged.

Want to buy a new car? She doesn't think that's a good idea and will harass us and try to convince us to do things how she would. Full temper tantrums, hours long phone calls, constant text messages.

Want to have your wedding the way you want? Nope.

Countless screaming phone calls over inane crap. She wanted us to spend hundreds on outfits for the rehearsal, tried to call our venue that she was not paying for in any way to make changes without our permission, emailed our vendors to make changes or add 'a surprise' (which was just an idea we already shot down). She lost it when we selected our date, was angry that I had a smaller bridal shower, was pissed that she 'wasn't included'. Kept saying she was losing a son.

She also bad mouthed our wedding planning to people at the wedding, was sour during the photos because it was raining (like that's our fault), and complained that the photographer didn't get enough pictures of her. Despite all of this, she posted about our wedding to FB (before we did and without asking) acting like it was her day. I was in two of the 15 photo collage.

She failed to realize that we actually had plans of including them, but she ruined it. She couldn't have a single phone call with either of us without becoming enraged.

We are cutting her off if the next conversation goes poorly about house hunting. She is a newly licensed real estate agent and, despite living 2 hours away from us, believes that we MUST use her as our agent. If we don't, she's said that our relationship will never be the same and that essentially she'll never forgive us. Nevermind the fact that it is never a good idea to use family for such a purchase, but she is also inexperienced, doesn't know our area, would have to trek two hours to show us any homes and, of course, she historically has made everything harder!

We are still months out from being ready to buy, but she keeps suggesting properties to us. All of which are outside the area we want to live (which she knows) and most of which would put me well over an hour away from my job (that doesn't matter because I can always 'get a new job', according to her). All the properties she's sent, though, have been conveniently closer to her though!

The whole family enables her. They either lie to her, or give into whatever she wants, even if it's not in their best interest. My BIL was convinced out of buying a new car and instead took their old clunker (and paid them for it!) and it died not three months later, so he was out that money and had to buy a new one. All to avoid her wrath.

Even my husband's childhood friends have spoken of her issues. None of them wanted to go over his house growing up because of her volatility. She is also a permanent victim in her own head. I don't think I've ever heard her utter a real apology. The best you'll get is "I'm sorry, BUT"

She outright told my husband that she doesn't view him as an equal. She's called him names, called me names, and called my parents names.

She often posts in FB 'empty nest' or 'estrangement' forums and I've seen a few of the posts. She never actually admits she's done anything to cause the estrangement. Only that her 'evil DILs' (his other brother and wife are also teetering on no contact) have stolen her boys. That they were turned against her. That a 'son is a son until he takes a wife'. No reflection, no accountability, no desire to repair that would require any work on her part. We are expected to simply come back to the table and accept that she will always be like this and that 'she won't change for anyone' (her words).

As tough as I'm sure it is for her, and I have no doubt that this is deeply hurting her, it has come to a point where we have to choose between enabling her to 'save' the relationship or letting her go and hoping she gets the help she needs to have a productive and positive relationship with us.

DiamondLily Mon 23-Jun-25 15:01:05

Allsorts

Diamond Lil, Your Stepchildren have a nerve the way they treated their father.

Well, yes, but they’re out of my life now, so I just ignore them. 😉

Not worth giving them the energy of headspace.

Allsorts Mon 23-Jun-25 14:37:08

Diamond Lil, Your Stepchildren have a nerve the way they treated their father.

Allsorts Mon 23-Jun-25 14:34:06

Daisy and Sassenach, I do agree with you about time making a difference, once you get used to it and it takes time, you become the person you couldn't be when they were making life so hard. You question everything you said and did, which is silly. Particularly difficult when there is a condition like schizophrenia.
We love the children they used to be but the longer you are apart they become like strangers.

Smileless2012 Mon 23-Jun-25 10:40:04

Doesn't time make a difference yes it does Daisy. We've been estranged for 12.5 years now and although there are still dark times, on the whole life is much easier now.

When it first happens you feel as if your life is over but there is life after estrangement, it's just not the one you thought you'd be living flowers.

Daisy25 Mon 23-Jun-25 10:22:26

sassenach512

My daughter and I have been estranged for five years now. It was a very toxic relationship, she having schizophrenia. It got to the stage where everything I did or said caused rows and I dreaded the phone going as her meds wore off and she'd be in meltdown on the other end. My mental health was suffering worrying about her but I couldn't give up on her. It was she who made the choice to cut ties, I never could have. I tried to find out if she was well but a policeman called telling me she said I was harassing her so I've had to leave it to her to get back in touch.
There's not a day goes by that I don't think about her though

Dear Sassenach512,
Doesn't time make a difference...5 years is a long time in estrangement and I am sure you are much stronger now. I know that feeling of whatever I say or do its wrong...walking on egg shells all the time. For me it became so unbearable I actually stopped trying...she comes and goes whenever it suits her on her terms. I had to accept that I would never have a normal relationship with her as her Mother, so I have put myself first, my health and happiness. I hope you are doing so too! My heart is strong, and I would always be there for my daughter if she needed me, but would never entertain the emotional abuse which tbh was a rollercoaster nightmare. I became so tired of it all. Life is too short...all the conversations I'd had with her about mutual respect etc. just fell on deaf ears. I wish you strength and happiness and keep her in your heart...you did your best. We can't all be blamed forever for the mistakes we make and the way they turn out. They must learn to take responsibility for their own actions.

MercuryQueen Mon 23-Jun-25 07:52:30

I’m estranged from my parents, have been for over a decade.

It’s been for the best.

I regret not having the parents I deserved growing up and not having safe grandparents for my kids, but not the decision to estrange. It was the only safe option.

NiceDream Mon 23-Jun-25 07:24:57

Allsorts this a safe link but if you would prefer I can copy the text for you

dvapriverside.org/why-you-might-feel-guilty-after-leaving-and-why-thats-totally-normal/

NiceDread Mon 23-Jun-25 06:52:03

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Allsorts Mon 23-Jun-25 06:25:02

No I have never estranged, maybe distanced on occasion. If it is a truly bad abuser you estrange why would you feel guilt?

DiamondLily Sun 22-Jun-25 18:20:13

Yeah, previous generations weren’t touchy-feely - they were hard times and people had to just get on with life.

I’m much more involved with my adult kids and adult grandchildren than the previous generations were.

As you say, not sure it’s always a bonus when they still expect you to solve everything 😂 🙄

marymary62 Sun 22-Jun-25 18:12:37

Sorry to hear you are low. It’s a tough time. My mum was a grin and bear it person who never talked to me about intimate things or wanted to hear about any personal stuff at all. Just wanted to give me ‘good advice’ and resented my loving relationship with my dad who conversely did talk about emotions. However my dad died when I was 30 and my mum when I was 60 so I grew to love and respect her more and more over the years and miss her steady and practical support. I have 3 brothers and one of them is , I would say, estranged . We were very close and I’ve missed him in my life for nearly 40 years ( as have his children and my other siblings) He kept in touch with mum but did not come to either parents funeral . It was/is painful. I’ve no idea if he is alive but I assume so as he does send a Christmas card bizarrely. My two daughters talk to me about their possible menopause symptoms and some personal stuff, in a way I couldn’t with my mum, but I’m a different generation and I think perhaps as she was born in the twenties it just wasn’t done - she didn’t have a close relationship with her mum. Once told me she was never cuddled which I found really sad as she was actually a very warm mother herself ( despite not wanting to hear my problems !) and very cuddly with her grandchildren who adored her . My girls sometimes ring at 9.30 on to offload their problems and then I can’t sleep so I think my mum had the right idea sometimes !.

Claremont Sun 22-Jun-25 17:47:29

Never estranged, never argued- but we have put quiet distance with some due to repeated racist comments and attitude.

DiamondLily Sun 22-Jun-25 17:45:42

NiceDream

Diamondlily I guess it is different for me, it's my mother, I actually feel guilty for saying anything about her. Sometimes I even feel guilty for being happier after estranging!

Life’s too short for guilt. If you did the right thing for you, then just put the whole thing out of your mind, and have a happy life.

Not worth headspace or fretting.

Smileless2012 Sun 22-Jun-25 17:36:15

Oh life's too short. I don't feel guilty that we're happy despite being estranged, just thankful that we are.

NiceDream Sun 22-Jun-25 17:34:10

Diamondlily I guess it is different for me, it's my mother, I actually feel guilty for saying anything about her. Sometimes I even feel guilty for being happier after estranging!