It's that woman again!

Having seen too many people resuscitated against their wishes ( in all cases paperwork was incorrect ) I have an unequivocal 'Living Will '
and grown kids have been told!!

I will not comment on that silly women but must say thank you to thatbags for the link she put on. I thought the doctor quoting her mentor saying ‘You have to learn when you’re prolonging life and when you’re prolonging death.’ hit the nail on the head.

My mother - 95 in a few months, very arthritic, with osteoporosis and Alzheimer's - was asked questions when her GP was putting a life/care plan together for her. She just asked Mum if she would want to be resuscitated. Mum was all for it. There was no attempt to explain what it would/could mean in fact I had to try and explain what the word meant. I suppose it is difficult to know if she could process the information anyway, but if that is the case why ask? The problem is that this document now says very definitely that she wants resuscitating. I cannot bear the thought that they would feel they had to do that.

You'd be surprised gM.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/29/my-granny-the-escort-prostitution-documentary_n_5409475.html

Some people seem to get very excited by older ladies

My firm belief is that once you've had a baby, only the inside of your head is your own - and who wants to drool over my droop t*ts

It might also be marginally less embarrassing to have it done!

JUst been to a St. John's Ambulance course and metioned DNR tattoo. The tutor said that CPR is often done through clothes, so on the wrist is a better idea!

Maybe by the time you and I want to go somewhere like that, Gill, they will offer a free death with funeral service all inclusive!

Thanks for the feedback, my suspicions have been confirmed about Warner Leisure Breaks........not for me.

those adverts have really put me off Warner Leisure hos a long time ago.
Piped music gives me the heebie jeebies- just cannot bear it - and I love music! So that is it - never!

It doesn't sound like me, either! In fact you have just made me realise that it's even worse than I had thought it would be, I loathe piped music.

grandmattie I love the idea of a DNR tattoo! It's the first tattoo idea that has ever appealed to me. Right on my chest would be good.

janer, Our children treated us to a joint wedding anniversary/DH's 70th present. Because it was during the winter they chose it for the activities and entertainment which turned out to be a good move because the weather was atrocious and we had to abandon a couple of visits to nearby attractions.

It wasn't the no children rule that bothered me but the sheer size of the place (Thoresby Hall) and the vast number of visitors. It felt like Butlins for oldies and I've never been to Butlins. Definitely not a place to relax but fine if you like to have plenty to do. We enjoyed the evening entertainment because it was included in the price and better than watching telly in the bedroom!

I found myself struggling with the long slogs along various corridors/stairs/walk to carpark etc., and I ended up feeling really OLD and tired.....Not really what you want when you're supposed to be having a break.

I also disliked being force fed piped music..... Helen Shapiro, Lulu, Dusty Springfield et al for hours on end. The next lucky decade will hopefully get ELO and Thin Lizzy!!

I shouldn't moan. There are thousands who enjoy WL and go back time and time again. I just don't think it's me.

I've asked for a "DNAR" tatoo on my wrist as birthday present. DH is appalled at both the request and the yet-to-be tatoo! Bad luck, it isn't his life, but mine.

I also have told my children i have a stash of pills, and if I wake up dead one morning it will have been my choice. Shan't do it while DH is still alive though, it would distress him too much.

Katie HOpkins should be sent to one of those vans and that would stop her gobby, thoughtless, inane comments! She may say that she supports Dignitas, but who is to know what she really thinks - it may just be an Eperor's new clothes thing.

I really hate their tv adverts. The woman looks positively manic.

Merlot, did the people there, indeed, do YOU, choose it because you knew there wouldn't be children there? I can't understand why anyone would choose somewhere like that. I love the houses they buy up, but it makes me feel cross that you can't stay there unless you are older.

We had a Warner Leisure break in March - an anniversary present from our kids

I didn't spot a suspicious looking van in the car park but that was probably because there were so many cars we couldn't find anywhere to park! It soon felt as though we were having a holiday in a giant old people's home.

We were waited on hand and foot and the accommodation was lovely, as was the food but would we go again?

The jury's out on that one. I felt I'd crossed a line I'm not ready for just yet.

That was exactly how I thought Doctors would feel about it, Bags.

So Warner Leisure Breaks are full of older people then? Had been considering one, looked as if they were nice hotels, but if they are famed for being for older people, maybe will give them a miss. Anyone been? What was it like? I am not anti older people ( oldish myself) but dont like anywhere dominated by one age group.....

Whenever I hear comments like that gobby woman has just made, about older people being a nuisance and using up tax payers' money, I get great pleasure in thinking that they too will be the older generation some day (barring accident or terminal illness).

So watch out Katie Hopkins! The white van will be singing for you in the not too distant future! Be careful what you wish for. Stupid, unpleasant motormouth.

Seriously though, I have very ambivalent feelings about the right to die. i don't know how I would feel until faced with the situation.

I wonder where this idea, if that's what it is, sprang from. Didn't the Nazis have mobile death vans/trucks before building the camps? I actually feel that this is quite a sinister suggestion.

Ana totally agree on this one. But Dignitas is just a last last sad resort for those whose country leaves them no choice- Dignity in Dying can do much much better than that, like EXIT here.

How doctors want to die.

Something like Dignitas would be better than the lack of choice we have here now, at least.

That's purely my personal opinion, of course.

OK thanks- so, Assisted dying takes many form- the main concept is that of CHOICE. Sadly, due to current UK Laws, travelling abroad to Dignitas, is the only choice if one does not want to endure the last stages of a terrible disease. Here in Switzerland, no Swiss will ever use Dignitas- they will get help via the society 'EXIT' which will help them die at home, where they want, and with or without family or friends present- with the music they choose, etc, exactly how THEY want. Dignity in Dying is fighting to get something similar for the UK- so people can die in their own home, should they WISH to, with all the checks and safeguards in place. So nothing like Dignitas, but much more like EXIT- which works really well here.

Please re-read thatbags' post, granjura:

The difference between euthanasia and assisted dying, as at Dignitas, is huge. Don't confuse the two. One is imposed (no choice), the other is self-chosen, wanted in fact, when one is ready.

What's wrong with what I said?

Ana to be fair, the campaing for 'Dignity in dying' is NOT in any way, shape or form, proposing Dignitas like 'clinics', at all - just like thatbags has already rightly stated.

I think you're right, granjura.

The more those in the media 'joke' about old people queueing up on street corners or wherever to be 'put down', the more those in a position to make decisions about the possibility of the UK having Dignitas-style clinics will be frightened off.