We do exist, but after this why bother?

How are you judging her then? Do you know her personally?

Nothing I have read in the media, I am capable of thinking for myself ,

Do you believe everything you read in the media Annie?

Harry may have had problems finding someone who wanted to be in the royal family, now he has found someone who thinks she is far more important than the queen. All she needs when they are together is a lead for him.

Allykat946 I can respect that you'd have liked to see Harry with someone different, but the fact seemed to be that he couldn't find a girlfriend who wanted to be in the royal family, no matter how well they got on with him. It was beginning to look like the alternative was either a semi-arranged marriage like Charles and Diana, which was a disaster for them both, or he would stay single indefinitely while he carried on looking. And Harry himself said he was longing to settle down and have kids. Surely you'd not wish to prolong his loneliness and childlessness until Miss Perfect and Willing To Be Royal happened along? So far Meghan is carrying out her expected role, and he seems happy. I hope this can be good enough for you in time.

Meghan is the worst thing that could happen to Harry he is easily lead and will be the undoing of who he really is Meghan is the one wearing the pants. The world has become more evil then it ever was and it's the younger generation that is making it so,,, the schools and universities started to indoctrinate not teach, back about 40 years ago,, they aren't teaching the real history but there is a new agenda on what the elite and government want us all to believe and the younger generation is falling for all the crap.. it's no wonder that so many are becoming depressed and committing suicide. there is no such thing as global warming, look back at history and one will see that weather has had it's ups and downs, cold, hot, storms, floods it's just nature acting normally.. instead of the government being concerned about global warming etc it should be more concerned about the poor pensioners trying to exist on the bread crumbs that they get,, the homeless, and those that can't find affordable rent... in Australia there are hundreds of empty houses that people with money have bought but don't want to rent them out... Muslims that come out as supposed refugees get homes, money and cars and pensions, they are not homeless.. why is it so.. there is an agenda here and people need to wake up and see what is going on...

Really fed up with Harry and Megan as both seem trying to grab all the limelight away from Will and Kate. Both couldn't be bothered to meet Megan's family (not even her father) before or after the wedding so that says it all for me sorry.

This is the danger of anecdotal information, I only know one person who may have voted leave. Everyone else voted remain.

However I absolutely agree with you that one of the biggest barriers to social mobility now is the Thatcher/Blair obsession about making almost every career a graduate career.

When I left school there were multiple routes into every profession which could accommodate everyone from exam free school leavers to graduates. I originally started training to be a Chartered Accountant. As I remember, if you didn't have O levels you did a preliminary exam if you passed that, with those with O levels you did a 5 year training with two sets of exams, if you had A levels or a non-approved degree you did 4 years and 2 sets of exams. If you had an approved degree you did 3 years and 1 set of exams. And of course, you were paid through out your training, not much, but it was a wage. It made careers in both law and accountancy open to everyone, regardless of background and education

I had two friends who for different reasons left school after O levels who after a few years chose to study respectively accountancy and the law, both had successful careers and the lawyer was one of the first solicitors to become a judge.

The route they took into the professions has been completely blocked off

I wonder how people with higher qualifications the first degrees voted then because most of those I know voted to leave.
I think that all we have achieved in getting more people into Uni is to put the bar a lot higher in the world of jobs. For example, when I joined the Civil Service in a specialist role in the the 70's I was expected to be qualified to A level standard. Now I would be expected to have a degree. My husband was in HR and it was something he noticed as well. A degree was the highest qualification for most roles but now I have seen quite a few jobs asking for a Master's.

Oh dear, bring back the Good Old Days! ;-)

Ah, a pollster...they've been accurate on a host of issues, not!

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/30/facts-support-mps-claim-that-better-educated-voted-remain-pollster

Why has Brexit entered into this?

MOnica ... please point me at the evidenced facts

In answer to notentirelyallhere's post,
Many people voted for Brexit because they wanted future generations to live in an independent, self governing country and not a vassal state of a corrupt and unaccountable organisation, which is what the EU has become. They didn't do it to be killjoys, stopping young people from working abroad.
As far as a university education is concerned- when only about 10% of the population undertook getting a degree, it was affordable to the country but then along comes Tony Blair, who wanted as least 50% of school leavers to go to university, regardless of their suitability and the choice of degree they took. Hence, it became unaffordable for the country to fund a free university education for all. It's not something the older generation decided to do just to be spiteful!
If the younger generation decide to spend their money on mobiles, coffees and holidays rather than saving for a home then that it is up to them. Again, not the fault of the older generation. It does seem to be the younger generation who get called snowflakes, I agree, and that is because they seem to think they should be protected from anything bad happening around but life is not is not like that and the tougher you are, the more likely you are to succeed.

I think it is a problem when a prince is seen to criticise certain groups of the population. I have read that Meghan helps him writes his speeches now and she doesn't set a very fine example of intergenerational tolerance.

Personal experience does not change the facts.

MOnica ... I voted to leave and have 2 separate degrees and other qualifications so I think you comment about education was a bit odd .
Generalisation doesn't do it for me . , ! Most of my family and friends voted out .. all of whom are well educated . Ps we are all over 65 , but feel that our country shouldn't be run by unelected people , and believe in our lawmakers and sovereignty.

I really don't put any store by what the Royal Family say. They do not live in the real world. And, regardless of how touchy feely they seem, they are not, NOT, like the rest of us. Just saying

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Thank you for the links gonegirl.

Personally I don't see anything wrong in what Harry said. Sounds like a lot of common sense to me----relating to all ages being prepared to look outside the box and be more tolerant of others.

Read this, if you can be arsed. www.queenscommonwealthtrust.org/projects/

I don't see how any speech could be more encouraging to those young people than that one was. For heaven's sake, stop the silly nit picking.

It's not all about us.

He was speaking in his role as President of the Queen's Commonwealth Trust.

www.queenscommonwealthtrust.org/projects/cama/

It didn't have a lot anything to do with us pensioners.

To be fair, I do not think that his home circumstances, however unusual necessarily mean that he cannot understand what other people, of any age think about. If we make that argument we would have to accept that nobody anywhere could have any understanding or sympathy for anyone who isn't exactly like them.

He has had lot of involvement in charities, in this country and overseas, an involvement that goes way beyond the public events and ribbon cutting. I just think this speech was a mishmash of nice sounding words and platitudes.

It has been suggested that he insisted on writing it himself rather than working with his usual speech writers, in which case I think he should go back to his speechwriters and let them put forward a speech that says something useful and coherent.