Do older people need to have global warming explained to them?

I've no problem attempting to be good to our planet.

Doesn't mean I walk or force a large family in a silly tiny car - we drive 4x4s, we need space and frankly like the height/ safety aspect. We don't eat meat, we allow others to eat meat and byproducts - life is not just about us. We shop quite carefully, cook our own food, don't go to places we think of as polluting, but we know other have different budgets.

Certainly never complain about others gardens. Second link neighbors and critics are hypocritical, in their own ways.

Unnecessary mean spirited behaviour.

Isn’t teaching someone else a good way to establish the knowledge in oneself? By ‘educating’ their parents the children may gain a deeper insight themselves. A good thing surely.

I’m quite prepared to be educated by any generation, I don’t know everything and certainly wouldn’t take umbrage to insight explained in a non -patronising manner.
We do both what we can and what we know about to mitigate global warming, doesn’t mean we’re not open to more action if it’s feasible for us.

Germanshepherdsmum

We can’t be seen to be agreeing with one another volver. That would be contrary to the laws of nature (whatever they are) surely? 😱

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So as far as we know, from the article in the paper that must not be named (PTMNBN), this woman is driving a diesel car and has been seen to buy products that have racked up the air miles. Guess what? She's not perfect.

Her neighbour (former Army chap, for good measure) is having a rant about what a hypocrite she is, how untidy her garden was. Another one, how she never spoke much.

It doesn't take much to see that the PTMNBN, is trying to discredit an organisation that it wants us to believe is undermining society as we know it. That it is targeting the kind of people who object to being told a few home truths by a Swedish teenager, then cross their arms and pout like Ada and Cissie. Those people need to get the chip off their shoulder and stop feeling that they are paragons of virtue and the world doesn't appreciate them.

volver you are eliding the necessary with the personal. No one said this ER founder shouldn't have a car, and use it, although many activists - and non-activists manage without and live places where they can, but this person was driving a diesel car.

The same with fruit and veg. Now I buy as much of my fruit and veg as possible in a market and I have reusable vegetable bags that I bought in Sainsburies (they still sell them. 50p each)

I also shop in the same supermrket as the one they were seen in, and rarely buy the wrapped vegetables. I buy loose fruit and vegetables, once again using my re-useable bags. I also try, wherever possible to buy UK vegetables. I just adjust my eating patterns and recipes, as far as possible, to fit seasonal patterns.

What we seem to be losing is the expectation that those who choose to lead and encourage us to reach high standards are expected to live up to the standards they set their followers.

If someone chooses to found and run an extremist global warming organisation, then I expect them to exemplify its principles in their life, what sort of example is it setting to demand that others do extraordinary things that make their lives difficult in order to combat climate change, when they are making very little effort themselves.

We can’t be seen to be agreeing with one another volver. That would be contrary to the laws of nature (whatever they are) surely? 😱

volver3

I've got no idea what that's meant to mean, sorry.

Are we agreeing with each other?

I suspect you two agree.

Reading comprehension is highly underrated.

I think, could be wrong (surely someone will correct me), traveling to the continent should be done through the chunnel, if one is environmentally aware of planes and ferry boats.

Something we and our children practice as often as possible.

I never see it mentioned. Perhaps I am wrong?

I've got no idea what that's meant to mean, sorry.

Are we agreeing with each other?

As I said volver, comprehension. Without reading the article one cannot properly comprehend the initial post and form a view.

Like I said, nobody is actually properly reading the article, are they?

Have you seen the ages of these people that they are talking about? The parents are young enough to be our children.

To me it is a classic example of mindless agism. We are too old, too stupid, to busy with our knitting to be aware of anything going on in the outside world like global warming and too old too stupid etc etc to know what to do to do anything about it.

Yeah, looking for an excuse to have a go at those young whippersnappers who are getting above their station.

Don't they know what paragons of virtue we old folks are?

Reading to pick a fight?

To pick a fight, maybe?

Does one read for any purpose other than comprehension?

I'd rather they challenged the aggressive, ignorant (mostly male) posters on Microsoft News who insist climate-change is a snowflaky, leftie, woke plot designed to turn the country into a socialist State (no I don't get the connection, either).

Their fresh young minds and intelligence on the matter might be a match for the gnarled middle-aged idiots who clearly know little, and agree that Piers Corbyn is a 'nutter' - "but he's right on this" (though they hate his brother).

They're younger than we are, and far more dangerous because as they fester into old age, they're not gaining any wisdom.

I haven't the emotional energy to challenge their comments any more.

Over to you, kids.

Nobody is actually reading the article, are they? Or at least not reading for comprehension.

Perhaps no-one attempts (more than once) to patronise you, Volver, so you are not familiar with the annoyance of automatically being considered the generation most likely to be ignorant of Real Life by yet another journalist young enough to be your grandchild
(article is Georgina Rannard who graduated MA from St Andrew in 2009, before getting a PhD from Edinburgh, so is probably in her early thirties)

Personally I like a two way converasation with my grandchildren.
We both recieve information and learn new ideas.
It is my grandchildren future that is my main concern.
So whatever I learn from them or others will helpfully enable me, as my grandson would say 'to make the right choices '

Did you really just say that?

What an unp...

Oh no wait, I got deleted for saying that yesterday.

Rather than Phoebe lecturing her mother about flying, a few words about hair and makeup might have been helpful. Now you can be surprised, nay shocked, at my attitude volver.

I'm really surprised at some people's attitudes.

Only if the explanation is combined with an intensive course in sucking eggs.

It should also include the old person explaining to the explainer all about -
-1) - how to avoid waste by not throwing out foods which don't actually go "off" because they are preserves, pickles, fresh vegetables or fruit which look, smell and taste absolutely perfect, or leftovers due to over-estimating quantities for the meal.
-2) - the benefits of wearing old clothes for messy occupations instead of new ones.
-3) - why they don't need to throw every single item worn today into the washing machine and wear a completely new set tomorrow.
-4) - how to clean a home without pouring bleach and other strong chemicals over everything.
-5) - how interesting it can be to take holidays/vacations nearer to home, somewhere that doesn't involve a long-haul flight.