Do older people need to have global warming explained to them?

Foxygloves

This is getting ridiculous- litter, plastics in our oceans, disposable single use plastic items everywhere - all have become an increasing problem in our lifetime.
I think all ages are aware and can share the blame but it is the hypocrisy of lecturing the older generation as if we are the only offenders and unaware of the issues at stake.

I agree with that.

Actually, I do think people know about the damage to the environment but they just don't care.

It makes me expletive deleted very cross.

VioletSky

You only have to look at the amount of rubbish along main roads to see just how many adults aren't aware they are harming the environment

Absolutely, Violetsky

The sad thing is that much of this rubbish is from fast food outlets which are frequented by people with children, judging by the rubbish which a friend regularly litter-picks.

What kind of example are they setting to their children? Ignore what your teacher says about saving the environment?

It is not really a case of finger pointing

We know for a fact that adults are responsible for climate change

Whether or not that is active sabotage or thoughtlessness or not doing as much as is possible to help even when trying

Schools are trying to A. Educate children to be better and B. Teach them how to engage in polite discourse with adults about what they can do to help pr help more

There is no downside

If my children want to tell me all the things I can do to help and some of those things I'm already doing or even all of those things... I'm going to be bloody proud of them

VioletSky

Exactly

We can't blame rubbish on children when they are learning by example or being supervised by adults lol

Exactly why schools are educating them on these things. I absolutely never see rubbish on our playgrounds at school

Adults are driving the cars (I hope) and if they aren't aware children are chucking stuff out they need to work on checking their mirrors

Your words, VioletSky . -make up your mind!
You absolutely never see rubbish in school playgrounds-really?
We used to have a rota, form by form on litter duty in the playground after the lunch break every day
#maybeneedtogotoSpecsavers ?

This is getting ridiculous- litter, plastics in our oceans, disposable single use plastic items everywhere - all have become an increasing problem in our lifetime.
I think all ages are aware and can share the blame but it is the hypocrisy of lecturing the older generation as if we are the only offenders and unaware of the issues at stake.

And weren’t masses of tents just left there, because they couldn’t be bothered to dismantle and take them away

I believe so, so let’s not point the finger at us grans and our generation!

Exactly

We can't blame rubbish on children when they are learning by example or being supervised by adults lol

Exactly why schools are educating them on these things. I absolutely never see rubbish on our playgrounds at school

Bl**dy young people, lecturing us on saving the planet then leaving their bl**dy tents everywhere....

Its almost as if they all have different values and don't behave like an amorphous blob, isn't it?

Foxygloves

Adults - yes, but are we thinking young adults or the demographic on this site? Hmm.
This was at Glastonbury just days after Greta Thunberg enjoyed a rapturous reception

And weren’t masses of tents just left there, because they couldn’t be bothered to dismantle and take them away?

You know what, it’s perfectly possible to steer with one hand while flicking a cigarette butt or empty packet out of the window (not that I do it, )but why blame everything on the children in the back?
Or for HGV drivers ?

Who says it’s children chucking things out of cars anyway.

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Adults - yes, but are we thinking young adults or the demographic on this site? Hmm.
This was at Glastonbury just days after Greta Thunberg enjoyed a rapturous reception

Not really Mollygo I'm talking about main roads with verges instead of footpaths

Adults are driving the cars (I hope) and if they aren't aware children are chucking stuff out they need to work on checking their mirrors

V3
Maybe somebody will read it and explain what the difference in tone between The Times and the Mail means. I've lost the will to live. Which might, of course, be the ulterior motive.
Oh . . . It might be the same info but it’s the the tone that counts. Or maybe the nuance🤣🤣🤣

VioletSky

You only have to look at the amount of rubbish along main roads to see just how many adults aren't aware they are harming the environment

But if an assumption there. Who said it’s only adults dumping the rubbish.

M0nica

Volver The DM was one of several papers that covered this story, including The Times, which unfortunately you cannot access without paying. So do not try and undermine this story by suggesting it is a DM story only. Another example of your very prejudiced attitude to everything that does not agree with you.

Oh M0nica, change the record.

The Times article is not behind a paywall. The other papers that came up in my good search are slightly to the right.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e926072e-e068-11ed-be6e-fc82fede3d1d?shareToken=d1e1d8504b1ac4d7da0089fab9f50fc4

Maybe somebody will read it and explain what the difference in tone between The Times and the Mail means. I've lost the will to live. Which might, of course, be the ulterior motive.

You only have to look at the amount of rubbish along main roads to see just how many adults aren't aware they are harming the environment

M0nica

Volver The DM was one of several papers that covered this story, including The Times, which unfortunately you cannot access without paying. So do not try and undermine this story by suggesting it is a DM story only. Another example of your very prejudiced attitude to everything that does not agree with you.

Dear Lord! Pot and kettle much?

So what if someone disagrees with your imperious views?

Sounds hypocritical to me. If you’re going to tell other people what standard they have to set themselves you start by setting those standards yourself. Or am I missing something here? I personally don’t have a problem finding a market that sells fresh produce. Or is it that it’s bad for the environment that she needs to drive her diesel car further to find it?

No, you are absolutely right, Maybee.
There is plenty of healthy produce in the shops, markets, supermarkets without having to buy vegetables flown thousands of air miles. Cheaper too.

Some older people do not understand climate change, some middle aged people do not understand climate change, nor do some young adults.
Children are taught about this at school now, but their parents don't set a good example.

Look around you if you are anywhere near a school at the end of the school day.
Dozens of parents in cars picking up children, half empty school buses, few walking.

Volver The DM was one of several papers that covered this story, including The Times, which unfortunately you cannot access without paying. So do not try and undermine this story by suggesting it is a DM story only. Another example of your very prejudiced attitude to everything that does not agree with you.

For the 300th time...

OK, I exaggerate.

This organisation is not telling people what standard to set themselves. Its all very laudable that everyone is reusing carrier bags and buying veggies at the market, but it's not enough.

XR are trying to influence the government. Whether you agree with what they do or not, they are not trying to tell you how to live your life. They are trying to get governments to take some action at a macro level.

volver3

I think there are two things to consider here.

The BBC article is about how a young person can talk to their parents about changes they want to make that they think are important, but their parents might not be on board with. It’s not about explaining climate change to old folks. I can’t see how helping young people communicate better with their parents can be a bad thing?

As for the XR/hypocrite thing, it absolutely drives me bonkers that anybody thinks that this is hypocritical. The thing that XR is campaigning about is that the current society we live in means that we have to do things that are bad for the planet. The campaigning is about changing things at the roots, its not expecting everybody to immediately only eat kale and travel everywhere by bike. If the woman has to use a car to pick up her kids from school or get the shopping done, what do you propose she does? If the only veg in the shop is from far away, do you suggest she just eats turnip?

Maybe people do need climate action explained to them after all.

Sounds hypocritical to me. If you’re going to tell other people what standard they have to set themselves you start by setting those standards yourself. Or am I missing something here? I personally don’t have a problem finding a market that sells fresh produce. Or is it that it’s bad for the environment that she needs to drive her diesel car further to find it?

I think it’s good that the young people are more aware. There’s a lot of effort going on in our primary school to raise awareness even in KS1.
Awareness of the cost of clothing production, the meaning of the words carbon footprint, even the impact of eating meat, or using palm oil.
They also need to grow up with the knowledge that many of us already have;
Elegran gives some excellent examples.

The problems arise, for young and old, when it comes to applying it in their/our own lives.
E.g. holidays. I’ve listened to 10-year-olds and 21 year olds and staff in the staff room discussing the damage flying does to the environment, at the same time as talking about their holiday plans which involve flying.

Young children are reliant on their parents for where they go, but once they/we are paying for their own holidays . . .

One DGS is planning to buy a car once he passes his driving test, so that he can get to work in less than 90 minutes, carrying all his own equipment. He has extolled the virtues of electric cars, but explained that he’ll have to get petrol because second hand EV’s are still expensive and may quickly need a new battery that could cost as much again as the car.

We look at the need to care for things or use and reuse things rather than discard them. The children have some brilliant ideas about conservation of resources.
Some of them don’t extend those ideas to looking after their belongings, so that doesn’t explain why our lost property box is full of items of clothing, some new, some nearly new, sometimes even the odd Nike trainer.
It’s filtering through, and it’s important.
The most important part of children talking to their parents/grandparents about climate change and what they should be doing, is that it will embed the message in their own heads, and maybe make them realise it means them too.

Discussion between the generations can only be a good thing surely?