More ageism towards women

is I, Jack Wright worth watching?

People are always horrible about Carol Vorderman you are right

I think it’s the pretending that I find irritating about Carole Vordeman. The comment about ‘I might have surgery in a couple of years or so”. When it’s quite obvious she’s been having surgery for years.

Nigella I haven’t seen for ages.

And yes, like you, I hate the way films, television etc always seem to portray the older man as having a much younger wfe or girl friend even when they’re supposed to be the same age. Iremeber Sheika Hancock being turned down for the wife in ‘A Year in Provence’ opposite John Thaw - even though they were actually husband and wife in reality- and a much, much younger actress being cast in the role.

They were supposed to be a retired couple. 🤔

I think Carol looks amazing, she’s a bright, well educated woman with strong opinions.

I also like Nigella for similar reasons.

I wouldn’t have cosmetic surgery, though think it’s an interesting topic.

Everyone to their own! Live and let live.

Down with mysogonism! (Oops soz spelling!)

Personally I prefer the Dolly Parton approach.😬

Lathyrus3

Personally I prefer the Dolly Parton approach.😬

I do admire Dolly Parton and her approach to maintaining her looks but I would be too frightened to have cosmetic surgery.
I used to think that I would like to have a tummy tuck surgery.
then I had actual surgery for health reasons.
Only if I need it for health reasons now.....

Each to their own and if it makes you feel better about yourself even better. But I do find celebrities who deny they have had tweaks very annoying.
"Oh,, it's all down to yoga and a healthy lifestyle" or "I just avoid sunlight on my skin!"
Yeah, right just own it!

Apparently Misandry (who Knew?) is the equivalent of prejudice against men. Many men have tweaks, surgeries and veneers on teeth. Perhaps we should counter attack.

I think society is still a long way from valuing women for themselves and not judging them so much by their appearance and age. The television stations seem to sideline and retire women at a much younger age than men who seem to go on until they are too crumbly to carry on.

It is the culture of having to stay young and beautiful so that you don't become invisible that makes people like Carol Vorderman and Joan Collins want to embrace eternal youth.

Plevey08

Apparently Misandry (who Knew?) is the equivalent of prejudice against men. Many men have tweaks, surgeries and veneers on teeth. Perhaps we should counter attack.

I'm male and had heard of misandry. However, I am of the opinion that women are pulled to bits, metaphorically speaking, far more online and elsewhere, than men are. I would bet my last Rolo that most of those keyboard warriors wouldn't say a single thing to their online targets in real life.

As for the OP ageism towards women is deeply rooted in society in my opinion, but there really is no justification for it.

That's really nice to hear you say that BoggledMind😊

Of course it's happening big time. An older mans wrinkles can become "interesting" a fascinating face carved in time" but often women its "oh, she's good for her age" 🙄.

This has put me off I Jack Wright unless of course he is going to be bumped of by said Much Younger wife for his dosh. 😉

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Wyllow3

Of course it's happening big time. An older mans wrinkles can become "interesting" a fascinating face carved in time" but often women its "oh, she's good for her age" 🙄.

This has put me off I Jack Wright unless of course he is going to be bumped of by said Much Younger wife for his dosh. 😉

Don’t be put off, it’s very good.

It's a good series and well worth watching.

Is horrible hearing nasty comments made about anyone online but women do bear the brunt of it. Carol Vorderman can do as she pleases, is nobody’s business but her own. Sadly many nasty comments are made by women who should know better. Why are women constantly judged and found wanting by society in a way that men are not??
Women try twice as hard to succeed in a male dominated world and are then knocked down for it.
Am sure Angela Rayner will be judged far more harshly than any other minister in Burnham’s cabinet and ripped to shreds for what she is wearing.
This needs to stop.

(Thanks for the recommendations)

Have you seen the comments about Andy Burnhams wife

We are just subjected to comments about our weight and what we choose to wear. It’s infuriating

I think people need to have a good look at themselves before criticising how others look.
Angela Rayner has been criticised very harshly and it will start again now she has a place in the cabinet.

Agreed, JaneJudge and AGAA4. It's so depressing to hear people drone on about women's clothes and appearance, particularly when it's clearly because talking about their achievements would put the complainers well in the shade.

I also find it mildly amusing when men claim misandry as soon as a woman disagrees with them. Obviously we can't just disagree - it must be that we are man-haters. Didn't we used to have a male poster who was always accusing us of misandry?

I haven't seen I, Jack Wright, so can't comment on that, but it is definitely true that older men in drama and films are taken as they are, and can often still play love interests or 'ladies' men' well into older age, but when women reach middle age they are sidelined or if they have sexual relationships they are predators or figures of fun.

Its the done thing now for men and many women to have surgery done. I know two women my age late 60s. Both husbands have insisted they have boob jobs face lifts etc etc and funded the treatment. Yet both of their husbands look exactly what they are late 70s grossly overweight grey and balding. They could do with looking in the mirror themselves for a reality check.

I've watched "I, Jack Wright" and as a series tbh I didn't think the series was misogynistic. The deceased JW was probably guilty of it but depicting the first wife as a grey haired woman who chooses to dress unfashionably is not misogynistic surely? Lots of woman in their 70's choose not to dye their hair and dress in comfortable unfashionable clothes especially when they have stage 4 cancer, as this woman has. The misogyny is commenting that she looks 90 when she looks like a lot of women in their 70's whether they are dying or not.

I am incensed by the critique of Marie-France van Heel.
What she wears is her business and what she spends on clothes is also her business. She is the COO of a large company, a very intelligent woman who will now have to watch that she doesn't spend too much on clothes and makes sure they look perfect.

I know this thread is about agism and mysogyny but I wasn't sure where else to put it.

foxie48

I've watched "I, Jack Wright" and as a series tbh I didn't think the series was misogynistic. The deceased JW was probably guilty of it but depicting the first wife as a grey haired woman who chooses to dress unfashionably is not misogynistic surely? Lots of woman in their 70's choose not to dye their hair and dress in comfortable unfashionable clothes especially when they have stage 4 cancer, as this woman has. The misogyny is commenting that she looks 90 when she looks like a lot of women in their 70's whether they are dying or not.

I am in my mid seventies and gave up dyeing my hair or wearing make up years ago, I keep my hair short and styled and that is it. I also wear comfortable rather than fashionable clothes. I imagine I look older than my years but I don’t give a monkeys, am at my age finally happy in my own skin.

Trevor Eve aka "Jack Wright" is 75
Gemma Jones is 83

It' s a good programme though.