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English spaghetti

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thatbags Wed 11-Dec-13 21:41:59

I can tell the difference between good pasta and less good pasta. There are differences of taste and al dentiness (texture) that i find quite noticeable. I've no idea whether my preferred pasta is Italian or not.

JessM Wed 11-Dec-13 21:37:04

what is better about it absent ?

absent Wed 11-Dec-13 17:35:53

when The dates don't work for the Marco Polo story. Pasta was around in Italy before he went near China. A kind of pre-pasta existed in ancient Etruria long before that.

absent Wed 11-Dec-13 17:34:03

Some pasta, including dried pasta, is better than others and it usually costs more. That said, is the British so unsophisticated that it thinks Italian pasta is exotic – in the twenty-first century?

JessM Wed 11-Dec-13 17:08:18

Its the sort of thing I used to have heated debates with my DSs about - is posh branded Italian pasta any better than cheap Asda pasta? They stuck up for posh but now I think they are older and wiser. Hard lessons of the recession.

janerowena Wed 11-Dec-13 16:19:58

That's why people with gluten intolerance can usually manage a small amount of pasta in their diet. My sister can manage a couple of ounces.

Oh dear, it looks as if St. Georges' has new competition! It was bound to happen I suppose, the London one only started up a couple of years ago but even though it means more competition for the poor Scots, I'd rather we made it than the japanese.

What I want to know is - why don't the supermarkets at least give us the chance to buy british pasta? Welsh pasta might be a bit soggy. grin Jimmy and these farmers are in the East, where we get more droughts than floods. Although Wales can be lovely and warm. I think Waitrose must be very unimaginative and cautious.

merlotgran Wed 11-Dec-13 16:13:29

I would certainly buy it and I would tell the TV chefs (yes, you, Jamie and Nigella) to stop banging on about all things Italian and promote British pasta.

Having said that, and I'm sure those farmers knew what they were talking about, millers would need to devise a whole new marketing system and the future's market might be a problem in determining supplies at a price.

Charleygirl Wed 11-Dec-13 16:06:12

If it were cheaper than Italian pasta I would buy it from anywhere. I now look at the price before I look at the label and country of origin.

JessM Wed 11-Dec-13 15:58:11

just looked durum up on everyone's favourite encyclopaedia. Apparently it is high protein but not high gluten - so not good for bread. Different kinds of protein I guess.
I would buy Made in Wales pasta. smile

Riverwalk Wed 11-Dec-13 15:22:29

Jane there's also a gin & whisky distillery in London!

London Distillery

I would buy British spaghetti grin

janerowena Wed 11-Dec-13 15:05:55

I hadn't realised it had been on tv recently, maybe that will get things moving then? It's ridiculous. I know Italy struggles financially, but we need something else to grow to make up for all the other things we no longer seem to be allowed to produce! It's almost as if they are trying to make each country only grow one or two crops each, which could be disastrous in a bad year. I wish I could go back and tell the farmer that they have been growing it and showing it on tv, maybe it would give him a bit of hope.

I was actually in the cafe in England's only distillery. grin Buying a bottle of whisky for OH. The farmers were there selling their crops to the distillery. They must be doing well with the whisky, another six walked in as I left.

http://www.englishwhisky.co.uk/

Just in case anyone needs a very different Christmas present - DBH and his father love it.

petra Wed 11-Dec-13 14:56:00

Italy probably gets huge subsidies for this crop from the EU as they do for their rice harvest, stopping a lot of needy countries from selling theirs to us.

annodomini Wed 11-Dec-13 14:54:59

Didn't they grow durum wheat and make pasta from it on Countryfile recently?

thatbags Wed 11-Dec-13 14:53:59

Some durum wheat is grown in North Dakota. Pasta is probably made there too.

glammanana Wed 11-Dec-13 14:53:54

janerowena On the first episode of Nigel & Adams Farm Kitchen 3 weeks ago Adam planted out a crop of Durum Wheat in one of the fields to show it could be grown well here and then Nigel went on to have it ground locally and made the spaghetti then he did the costings and it worked very well indeed its a pity the big supermarkets don't jump on board as I would certainly use it,their next programme is on to-night can't wait to watch it.

thatbags Wed 11-Dec-13 14:51:56

Do you know, it has never once occurred to me that the wheat for making pasta had to be grown in Italy. "Made in" only means things were put together in the made in place. The parts can come from anywhere.

Won't any hard wheat do?

whenim64 Wed 11-Dec-13 14:45:29

......and China, too. Isn't that where Marco Polo brought it back from?

whenim64 Wed 11-Dec-13 14:42:32

What nonsense! I would buy it, too. I heard it said that pasta originated in England before Italy was producing it.

janerowena Wed 11-Dec-13 14:36:57

I had a coffee while I was out shopping this morning, and three farmers were having a business meeting at the table next to mine. One of them started talking about crops he had trialled, and my ears pricked up, as they do if you are a gardener and have farming family.

He was saying that he had decided to see if he could grow durum wheat as well as the italians, and try to break into the pasta market, after he had seen his wife pay £3 a kilo in Waitrose for something he reckoned he could grow and sell for 20p.... He said it was easy to grow, couldn't think why we didn't grow it over here, had it made up into spaghetti and took it to Waitrose, who looked at him pityingly. They said, he was by no means the first to have thought of it by a long way, but the British wouldn't buy it!

When he asked why ever not, he was told that it was all about the 'drama'. That Brits equate spaghetti made in Italy with something exotic, out of the ordinary, and don't WANT british pasta! They want to imagine it growing under continuous sunshine and harvested by dark curly-haired peasants. Even if they could buy it for 20p a kilo.

I felt like shouting 'I would buy it!'. I would love to be able to buy locally produced british pasta. It's ridiculous - why didn't they at least give it a go? Would you buy it? Are we really that way inclined? Well - as I normally buy the value ranges out of choice, obviously I am not, but I do have a sister-in-law who is scared to buy anything that doesn't have a well-known label on it.