More "Wokery"? Meat-free Christmas sandwiches.

What's the problem?

I agree with Chocolatelovinggran.. a mix of roasted veggies in a sandwich is probably more tasty than say a sausage sandwich.. I don't buy sandwiches but some of these did give me some ideas..

What about a nice bit of donkey for Christmas dinner???🤔

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Before I start my post I should say that I'm not anti veggie or vegan and do prepare (or buy) a fair few meat free meals.
I've just read the latest email newsletter from Good Housekeeping.
www.goodhousekeeping.com/uk/food/food-reviews/g25049321/best-christmas-sandwiches/?HearstNode=2FB6EB58F4C705ACF6F91ED2CCC0A1E006E5A6813788E1F5303F4BA9C925FF00&utm_source=crm&utm_term=SUBS_N&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GDH_N_20241124_GOODLIFE
Do we really believe that 7 of their selected 10 "Christmas Sandwiches" should be vegan or veggie? The vast majority of UK eaters (and presumably their readers) are carnivores and, whilst we might sometimes have a meal without meat, their "winners" do not represent a good choice overall.
I appreciate that the vegetarians and vegans amongst the Gransnet readers will be perfectly happy with the GH choices, so please be kind to me!

I love meat free meals and I also love meat of any kinds but I don't think other peoples views should be shoved down our throats as we are adult enough to know what we want.

I don’t think they were shoving them down anyone’s throat, except by labelling them. After all, if the sandwiches are that good, just reading the ingredients should be enough.
I’m watching out for the omnivore label, to show inclusivity.
I think I may be waiting for a very long time.

We are omnivores not carnivores!

I would like to know the number of testers. Could it really be only the two tasters as mentioned at the beginning of the article: ‘tested by Georgia Turnell and Jojo Anastasiou’?

Why is it wokery? So wokery is an offensive way of saying they vegetarians should have no choices or rights. Minority groups should have no influence. And then you say 'please be kind to me'. Why, you are nasty and unkind? We also had a question recently about children not being bullied at school being 'wokery'? Who are these people? They read the right wing press all owned by press barons who destroyed the country's finances by this poison, and don't pay a penny tax in the UK. Maybe you should ' wake' up and want our grandchildren to eat good, healthy food and not be bullied at school rather than follow the right wing press tax cheats!!

Why is it wokery to give vegetarians choices? Surely, if a test is carried out, and this is the result, it shows that the 'woke' people are the majority? Turkey sandwiches can be boring!! Is the commentator trying to make a point that vegetarians should have no rights and it is alright to call people who maybe in a minority 'woke' because that's what the right wing press do? 'Woke' has become an offensive term on Gransnet.

When do you eat a Christmas sandwich?
These look very large and complicate

I often buy a meal deal for a train
journey. It saves me time and I don'thave to buy a loaf of bread etc.
There's usually only one choice for vegetarians - cheese and pickle.

If I saw one of these GH fillings I would definitely buy one.
Am I woke?
I hope so.

Seriously, we should eat far less meat and fish in future for the sake of animal welfare, food security, population growth, climate emergency et al.

What’s the difference between a flexitarian and an omnivore?

I’m a lapsed vegetarian (aka a meat eater) but my husband and daughter are veggies, so seeing a range of vegetarian options is good for me. I tend only to cook meat when there are other non-vegetarians eating with us.

I don’t and won’t eat ready made produced sandwiches from a factory or anywhere else. My choice of food is varied meat fish in small quantities with salad and vegetables pastas rice etc.

It’s nice to have alternative choices but even that is taken away from us as consumers. I have noticed every pack of sausages I pick up is labelled gluten free. There is no other choice which there would be if we had butchers shops who could use if necessary none rusk fillers. However old traditional style of butchers shops don't exist around here anymore.

The flexitarian diet is a flexible eating style that emphasises the addition of plant or plant-based foods and drink.
It looks like a normal diet plate 25% starch, 50% fruit or non starch vegetables and 25% protein from whatever source you choose.
An omnivore diet plate only differs by specifying that the protein will be animal based -meat, fish, eggs, dairy.
It’s the latest buzzword for diets, but this time it includes omnivore, vegetarian and vegan all in one word. Identifying as flexitarian allows choice from day to day for omnivores and vegetarians and vegans.

Could it work in a restaurant?

Vegans would still have to specify that their protein must have no animal connection even in the method of cooking.

Mollygo

The flexitarian diet is a flexible eating style that emphasises the addition of plant or plant-based foods and drink.
It looks like a normal diet plate 25% starch, 50% fruit or non starch vegetables and 25% protein from whatever source you choose.
An omnivore diet plate only differs by specifying that the protein will be animal based -meat, fish, eggs, dairy.
It’s the latest buzzword for diets, but this time it includes omnivore, vegetarian and vegan all in one word. Identifying as flexitarian allows choice from day to day for omnivores and vegetarians and vegans.

Could it work in a restaurant?

Vegans would still have to specify that their protein must have no animal connection even in the method of cooking.

A flexitarian and an omnivore diet is one and the same thing. In both cases the followers consume all kinds of food including animal protein in varying quantities from day to day.

It is nonsense to say that an omnivore diet specifies that the protein has to be animal based. There are many people who, if asked, would say they were omnivores who eat plenty of plant based protein , and may, in fact, eat relatively little meat.

I have always described myself as an omnivore but often for days at a time my diet will be mainly vegetarian. In fact, on holiday recently, someone asked me if I was vegetarian, because I was mainly choosing plant based meals from the menu presented. In fact I was choosing them because they sounded more enjoyable, to me than the meat, fish, cheese etc etc alternatives. On the other hand I have just come back from a short break, where I had animal protein at every meal. Chicken, fish, cheese formed the basis of the three meals I ate at the hotel.

Yes, sorry M0nica I should have said could be animal based .
I along with others sometimes eat meals or snacks with no animal protein, or with only dairy/eggs.
But although all omnivores are flexitarian, vegans can also be flexitarian, just the protein in their diet will be plant based.

How can you be a vegan flexitarian. I looked up flexitarian. The definition given was.

the flexitarian diet is a flexible eating style that emphasizes the addition of plant or plant-based foods and beverages, incorporates dairy and eggs and encourages meat to be consumed less frequently and/or in smaller portions.
foodinsight.org/what-is-the-flexitarian-diet/#:~:text=More%20specifically%2C%20the%20flexitarian%20diet,goals%20in%20a%20flexitarian%20diet.

A precise definition of how I eat as an omnivore!

All sounds rather unnecessarily complicated to me.

I only like eating free range or organic meat so unless the sandwich is guaranteed that then I choose the vegetarian/vegan option instead. Vegan can be processed which I’m not keen on. A tasty alternative for me would be Brie and cranberry especially toasted.

Brie and cranberry has been one of my favourite Christmas sandwiches for years, and is easy to make at home too. At the moment I am quite addicted to Aldi's vegan Christmas feast, which includes a parsnip patty and a cranberry chutney. I just like the taste. For meat eaters I recommend Waitrose's Pigs Under Blankets or their Turkey sandwich. They are a bit pricier but I think they are far better than the other supermarkets.

I think they all look tasty, but £5 is a bit steep to pay for a sandwich, or even £4! My favourite shop sandwich (not relevant to the thread I know) is marks ham and cheese and pickle, sometimes difficult to get hold of.

The flexitarian book says or non-meat protein
If they can’t even agree amongst themselves . . . 🤣🤣🤣

I am a wokery vegan!!! I am also married to a carnivore man whose family owned a well-known butchers shop in my town!!
Each to their own, I cannot change him or him me.

Ilovedogs22

I am a wokery vegan!!! I am also married to a carnivore man whose family owned a well-known butchers shop in my town!!
Each to their own, I cannot change him or him me.

I like your attitude.
But why should anyone think it right to change someone to suit their own views?

I've noticed Mollygo that quite a number of people both male & fenale seem to desperately want to change their other-half as soon as they are married or even engaged! I would run a mile if that happened to me but thinking about it just now, I have been guilty of trying to get my slightly fat-tummied husband to stop wearing tight T-shirts & rather to wear a much-more flattering proper shirt.
Needless to say he hasn't listened & I respect him all the more for it. He is his own genuine, wonderfully stubborn (Chubby) person-type bullheaded self!
Thank goodness too, for the times when I'm going a bit up my own (slightly chubby bottom!!!) 🤔😶😊

25Avalon

I only like eating free range or organic meat so unless the sandwich is guaranteed that then I choose the vegetarian/vegan option instead. Vegan can be processed which I’m not keen on. A tasty alternative for me would be Brie and cranberry especially toasted.

Me too, I am also cautious in restaurants and rarely if ever eat chicken when out, and I am wary of pork.

I often go for the vegetarian/vegan option because restaurants are so much more creative these days and the variety of non-meat dishes are just more attractive.
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On holiday recently someone asked me whether I was vegitarian because I almost always chose he vegetarian option. I told them, quite truthfully, that it was because the vegitarian option was usualy by far the most attractive dish being offered on the menu.