Bovaer in dairy cattle feed. What do we know?

If it works and is economic it will be used currently trial only

Some a cow produces as much pollution as a car
They can sit in a closed garage overnight with a car
I will sit with a cow in a garage
We will see who comes to breakfast

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8rjdgre3vpo

Facebook is home to hysterics and conspiracy theorists. Since when has it been more authoritative than actual scientists?

If scientific analysis has found that the compound doesn't enter the cows milk or its body tissues I think I will be happy with that.

valdavi

You have a point vegansrock, but seperation of mothers & calves is not so different from weaning pups & seperating from mum at 6 weeks in commercial kennels.
Calves are a bit younger but they're born after a much longer gestation & much more independent at birth.

This is completely false valdavi. Puppies are weaned gradually by introducing other food alongside milk as the puppy’s digestive system matures. I agree puppies are often removed from their mothers too early and I believe it is now recommended to wait a little longer until 10 or 12 weeks rather than the 8 or even 6 that used to be the norm.

This cannot be compared to removing a calf at birth. They still need milk and would not wean naturally for several months. Beef calves stay with their mother until they are around 6 months old and there are some farmers who recognise even this could be longer. There is no way of justifying the emotional cruelty of removing any animal at birth just for human greed.

HRTWT but I saw this this morning:

"The microbiome of the cow is without doubt one of the most truly amazing examples of natures perfections. It possesses the ability to convert low quality vegetation, via the microbial process, into meat and milk of superior nutritious value. Furthermore its waste products serve to nourish the soil and sustain local ecology.
I despair at these nouveau scientists, who are reductionist in their thought process, and, who foolishly believe they can ‘tamper’ with the fragilities of nature, and expect positive outcomes.
In my lifetime's experience as a farmer I have learnt one thing, and that is, you cannot cheat nature without dire consequence.
By chemically altering the microbiota of the cow, this will in turn have a negative influence on the animals immune system, bearing in mind 70 per cent of the immune system comes from the gut. If we consider epigenetic changes further down the line, and its influence on the entire food chain, then the consequences to humans are limitless and unthinkable.
When these agendas are forced upon us with such vigour, then it only serves to arouse suspicion, and begs to ask the question, why?
If you ‘follow the science,’ eventually the trail tends to go cold, then you pick up a new trail and arrive at that destination which starts and ends with money, power, and control of the human population.
Before being swept along with the latest media pedalled campaigns, please consider these powerful agendas very carefully, allow common sense to prevail and put your trust in the ancient ways of mother nature."

Apparently written by a farmer and found by someone else on FB.

Doesn’t surprise me at all it’s one thing after another with our food the amount of additives that are in just basic things like bread is startling
Meat pumped full of antibiotics and god knows what else.. I heard on the news last night there’s a farm in Scotland that has mad cow disease ..🤦‍♀️

Shinamae

Doesn’t surprise me at all it’s one thing after another with our food the amount of additives that are in just basic things like bread is startling
Meat pumped full of antibiotics and god knows what else.. I heard on the news last night there’s a farm in Scotland that has mad cow disease ..🤦‍♀️

Chief Veterinary Officer Sheila Voas said it involved the atypical strain of BSE which was not transmissible and Food Standards Scotland (FSS) said there was no risk to human health

Don't panic yet

Allira

^It does not come out in the milk.^
Allegedly.

If it did - would it help with human flatulence?

I am assuming that the milk and the tissues of cows receiving this chemical have been tested for traces of it. I don't think that a statement to the effect that it doesn't come out in milk would be made on the back of no evidence whatsoever.

I am, of course, aware that 'science' has, in the past been used to cover up terrible harms, such as lead in patrol, but these are exceptions not frequent occurrences.

I was going along fine with the 'farmer' from facebook posted by Baggs.

Until we got to here:

If you ‘follow the science,’ eventually the trail tends to go cold, then you pick up a new trail and arrive at that destination which starts and ends with money, power, and control of the human population.

This is tinfoil hat territory. Let's not go there.

that destination which starts and ends with money, power, and control of the human population

Mollygo

^that destination which starts and ends with money, power, and control of the human population^

Meant to add that this applies to almost everything now.
We’re told to save resources, so GNs post enthusiastically about walking or cycling everywhere,
Whilst those in charge fly endless air polluting distances to talk about saving the planet by not travelling.

We’re told to eat less meat (and I’m not talking about life choices) whilst denuding large areas to produce arable crops e.g. almonds which require vast amounts of water.
It’s never ending.

If scientific analysis has found that the compound doesn't enter the cows milk or its body tissues I think I will be happy with that

Me too MaizeD but my slight anxiety says “the scientists thought thalidomide was safe and DuPont coating in pans”. 🤷‍♀️

FriedGreenTomatoes2

^If scientific analysis has found that the compound doesn't enter the cows milk or its body tissues I think I will be happy with that^

Me too MaizeD but my slight anxiety says “the scientists thought thalidomide was safe and DuPont coating in pans”. 🤷‍♀️

True, but thousands of pharmaceutical products come onto the market that are perfectly safe.

I did point out that there were some terrible mistakes in the past.

Indeed MaizieDwhich is why on the whole I agree with you.
We cannot worry about everything. We have to trust.

It could be Mollygo that we denude more areas to grow soya to feed cattle, especially in the Amazon region, than we do to grow crops for our direct consumption.

vegansrock

I thought exactly the same. People getting in a tizz about their milk with seemingly little regard for animal welfare as a whole.

I think my oat milk is safe.

Maremia

It could be Mollygo that we denude more areas to grow soya to feed cattle, especially in the Amazon region, than we do to grow crops for our direct consumption.

It could be that they don’t, although in America, that could well be true.

Nobody seems to be considering that the farmers are going to have to pay for this for ever more, and therefore so are we. It will do nothing for overall methane reduction, may have long term consequences for cows and dairy farming and is putting up the price of a basic food stuff. Nice for Scotland though that DSM are expanding their facility there.

The amount of methane coming from cows is tiny compared to the amount that is coming out of sink holes in the permafrost. Maybe Bill Gates would like to get involved in a real environmental project and keep his mitts out of global food chains.

It’s the bacteria in a cows stomach that produce methane, if you stop that they can’t digest fibre in grass and other forage. Much of the food a cow eats is forage, otherwise its diet is cereals and soya like a chicken or pig.

I'd like to know what happened to the seaweed supplements?
Cows actually like seaweed and eat it naturally.

I have bought organic milk all week and will continue to do so. Why risk your health when you d not have to. Certainly would not believe the scientist or government.

And in other news, sales of tinfoil soared this week...

MissInterprted I disagree. Look at he Covid information we were fed! I'm sorry but scientists and the government rely on people like you to spread their misinformation.

love0c

MissInterprted I disagree. Look at he Covid information we were fed! I'm sorry but scientists and the government rely on people like you to spread their misinformation.

I'm sorry, but I prefer to do my own research and trust in actual facts rather than relying on scare stories whipped up by social media.

I agree we need to do our own research but was genuinely interested to know if any scientists (especially bio chemists?) had been following this.

I found this today, re seaweed:
www.ucdavis.edu/food/news/feeding-grazing-cattle-seaweed-cuts-methane-emissions-almost-40#:~:text=Seaweed%20is%20once%20again%20showing,affecting%20their%20health%20or%20weight.