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Defending My Murdered Aunt's Memory

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LankyDolly Tue 09-Feb-21 18:29:30

Sorry this is a long thread.

Dear Gransnetters

I would really appreciate some advice on two levels: practical and philosophical. I’ve discovered my Aunt on a Murder Tour and Podcast Website. I knew she had been murdered in 1942 in London, before I was born. She was 42 and was walking home from a café in the blackout when she was pulled into an air raid shelter and strangled by a serial killer who went on to murder 3 more women that week.

The most upsetting part of reading this account is that some of the facts are just made up and the characterisation is cruel and biased. The name of my grandmother is wrong, a life insurance payout is invented, which “paid for good schools for the 4 sisters”, (3 - they were 37,27 and 19!) etc. etc.

On a personal note my Aunt is described as never having had a boyfriend, lonely, depressed and dowdy, with a photo of her looking very serious and plain. However, a newspaper described her as charming and intelligent and published a photo of her smiling and happy in a glamorous looking coat. My mother idolised her - she studied hard to leave a humble home in County Durham to become a pharmacist and was about to catch a train from London to Grimsby to take up a position as manager of a pharmacy when she was so cruelly murdered.

I have written very tactfully to the person who has published this podcast and leads this tour to ask him to correct the factual mistakes and to give a more rounded picture of my Aunt, perhaps to include the report of her as charming and intelligent and asking how he knew she had never had a boyfriend? He said he obtained his information from police files and I expect he did get much of it, but I can’t understand any researcher who would not want to hear from actual relatives.

He has replied that, IF I can prove correct facts and that she had another side to her he would put it in the amendments. This would be futile, as I doubt whether anyone would bother to look at them. My questions are: do I have any powers to compel him to amend his version of things? His account appears on the Wikipedia page in the citations. I am so sad to think that my Aunt might be remembered in the way this vile man depicts her. I feel compelled on my family’s behalf to honour my Aunt’s memory but this has been going on for about six months and is very distressing, even though I never knew her. Any advice would be very welcome.

geekesse Wed 10-Feb-21 13:36:11

Esspee, “Wolf Hall” is a novel based around the life of Thomas Cromwell by the Booker Prize winning author Hilary Mantel.

Callistemon Wed 10-Feb-21 14:33:47

Wolf Hall is based on incidents so far in the past and the documentation at the time may well have been biased so a poetic licence may be allowed.

LankyDolly's Aunt's story is far more recent and has, she alleges, been totally changed which could, and has, caused living relatives distress. Telling deliberate lies about someone who has died within living memory for profit is distasteful and unethical but not unlawful, unfortunately.

All you can do is find out as much as you can, add to the Wiki entry and write your own account, LankyDolly.

Namsnanny Wed 10-Feb-21 15:21:32

BlueBelle

Well of course it matters geekesse what if it was your mum or a relative you loved I d be hopping mad if someone had described a close family member in an untruthful way
How can you ever believe anything if so much artistic license is used it’s important to report facts not fiction unless you make it quite clear that it’s the writers interpretation
Good luck with this one I m angry for you

Agree totally, thank you for posting BlueBelle

Amberone Wed 10-Feb-21 15:37:29

You mention a newspaper report - is this something you have had in the family, or have you accessed the online newspaper libraries yourself? You can do that through Find My Past, don't know if others do it. I assume that this would have been reported in both Co. Durham and London papers - the local papers would have had more to say about her life and family probably.

I believe that the National Archives hold police records. Was the assailant put on trial ? There may be trial records. I would approach this as if I was doing a family history project, it's amazing where information turns up. You could also contact the relevant police force and see if they can help.

Unfortunately all of this costs money so it depends on how much you are able/willing to spend to get the information.

Callistemon Wed 10-Feb-21 17:00:53

This thread has made me think how Princes William and Harry must feel.

LankyDolly Wed 10-Feb-21 17:03:32

Thank you again, everyone. These podcast/tours are run by "Murder Mile" and there are hundreds of them. I've checked out the one on the serial killer in this case and it has an unfeasible amount of "detail" about his life - if you compare this to any other accounts online you will find there is very much less, so it pays to be careful what you believe. I intend to use "Tripadvisor" to good effect but I'm afraid this charlatan got one of their awards for excellence in 2016. Please feel free to add your ratings if you feel so inclined.

Callistemon Wed 10-Feb-21 17:06:48

I can't understand why anyone would want to go on one of these tours when what happened is so relatively recent.

ixion Wed 10-Feb-21 17:20:05

I can understand, as our family historian, how distressing this is for you and how desperate you are to redress the balance.

I don't know whether you have read Hallie Rubenstein's lauded book 'The Five'?
She takes the victims of Jack the Ripper, dealing only with their lives and NOT their deaths.
Her source materials are impressive, including Metropolitan Police and Home Office records accessed by her from the Public Records Office at Kew.

I wonder whether she might be able to help you access relevant records and give her perspective on how/if she had anticipated contact from the victims' living relations and, if so, how she dealt with them?

Just a thought.
Please let us know here if you get this sad issue resolved.

Chestnut Wed 10-Feb-21 17:38:50

Callistemon

This thread has made me think how Princes William and Harry must feel.

Absolutely! There have been so many depictions of Diana in movies and TV series, with invented storylines and conversations. Apparently they just have to sit back and take it. I think it's appalling to invent stories about someone who died so recently and has living children. And there are so many daft people who will watch a TV drama and believe it's accurate.

MissAdventure Wed 10-Feb-21 18:30:38

It must be very, very hurtful for them, I agree.

Missmoneypenny Tue 09-Mar-21 21:39:34

I just chanced upon this and I just wanted to say how sorry I am firstly that this traumatic event happened to your family and second that some idiot is misrepresenting your aunt in the pursuit of his podcast. I find all this “ true crime” and murder porn (excuse the expression) deeply distasteful not least because it deals in the pain of real people with no regard to the feelings of those left behind. I am not sure what you can do legally but you are absolutely right to challenge this person.

grandtanteJE65 Sat 24-Apr-21 13:48:22

There must be a time frame for allowing the general public access to police records and other matters on public record.

I have no idea what it is in the U.K. Here it is 60 years, so the time has elapsed if it is the same in Great Britain.

I doubt there is any way you can force this man to change the information he is handing out on something that is after all not serious research.

Obviously, you can as already suggested publish the true facts on Wikipedia, but please, do be careful what you say and how you say it. You don't want to risk being taken to court for saying that this man is lying.

If you or anyone else in the family have the skills to do so, or can interest a ghost-writer you could publish a book about your aunt and the other victims of the man who murdered her.