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LiveLaughLaove Wed 07-Mar-18 08:53:43

LIVE - LAUGH- LOVE-

I see a lot of hurt mothers on here, and I wonder where all went wrong. It’s quote unfortunate, and as much as everyone’s story may be different, the vast majority of conflict and estrangement seems to evolve between mothers and their adult sons. MILs and DILs can’t see eye to eye. Grandchildren cut off over adult fall outs. Sons being blamed for not having a backbone. Or being under their wives control. There’s obviously a disconnect somewhere. But where? After reading many of the responses, the common theme amongst 90% of the responses seems to be, “I’m estranged but I don’t know what I did wrong.” Again on a very case specific basis, do we all really not know what we did wrong, or are we too embarrassed to admit our faults to our estranged child? How many of sincerely apologize? When do we stop blaming others and reflect more on our own imperfections? Are we totally without blame? Were we respectful of other people’s choices? Are your apologies sincere?

An apology is an acknowledgment of one’s fault. An admission of discourtesy; followed by an expression of regret or remorse. An apology acknowledges the harm your actions caused. Irrespective of whether or not you think they were harmful. An apology is sincere. Its sincerity is self-spoken. Sincere apology open platforms for dialogue. Insincere apologies effectively add locks, to previously locked doors.

Was your apology sincere? Did it show that you’ve taking responsibility for your actions? Did your apology show you taking ownership? Taking ownership helps rebuild trust with the estranged individual. Apologies that lack sincerity, further function to jeopardize your overall integrity, and cause the relationship to be more toxic. Yes, apologizing is hard work. It means that one has to accept that they were wrong, admit to fault and shun their distasteful behavior. But at times our egos cloud our better judgment. Pride, family/social status. stubbornness, and embarrassment etc. further impair our better judgement. These are factors that inhibit our admission to fault. Start by expressing remorse, admitting responsibility, empathizing and making amends. Don’t offer excuses, never apologize when angry, don’t apologize repeatedly. Promise it will not happen again.

If your apologies sound/have sounded anything close to the ones listed below you to step back, rethink and re-offer a sincere apology to your estranged child. Remember an apology though necessary isn’t always sufficient, so allow for time to heal the wounds you caused. As you allow for time to do its job, remember integrity: its not in your place to dictate, control or question the victims healing time, or whether or not they choose to forgive you.

Examples of apologies that may be ignored on a lack of sincerity basis.

1.The power struggle apology. (Ok. I’m sorry. Why should I apologize first?).

2.The entitled apology. (I’m sorry. Remember, I’m your Mother/Father/Spouse etc)

3.The fake apology - (I’m sorry you/she/he, felt that way).

4.The assumptive apology. (I think I may have hurt you. I’m sorry).

5.Apologies that excuse the abuser’s bad behavior. (I’m sorry, but I only acted out of love).

6.Victim blaming apologies. (I’m sorry, but no one has ever made me so upset).

7.Victim shaming apologies. (I’m sorry but he/she shouldn’t have done that).

8.The evasive apology. (I’m sorry but I don’t know what I did wrong).

9.Apologies that dispute the abusers’ offence. (I’m sorry if that happened).

10.The controlling apologies. (I’m sorry but we need to move on).

11.The insincere apologies (Sorry but we’ve both made many mistakes).

12.The abusive apology. (I’m sorry but I’m hurting because of you)

13.The sarcastic apology. (Fine! I’m sorry).

14.The gas lighting apology. (I’m sorry, it’s all in your head – a very dangerous apology).

15.The expectations apology. (How many times have I said sorry?)

16.The reverse apology. (I’m sorry I hurt you, but you hurt me first).

17.The accusatory apology. (I’m sorry I called you lazy, but everyone thinks you’re lazy).

18.The mind game apology (I’m sorry but none of this would have happened if you’d listened to me).

19.The defensive apology. (I’m sorry, everyone knows it’s not in my character to act that way)

20.The manipulative apology. (I’m sorry, just trust me).

21.The treacherous/vengeful apology. (I’m sorry, but she/he needs to go).

How sincere are you when you apologize?

MawBroon Mon 07-May-18 21:46:34

How interesting. smile

Iam64 Mon 07-May-18 21:45:36

I'm finding this very hard to follow and/or understand.
There is a webpage about a business called LiveLaughLove which focusses on mental health issues.

MawBroon Mon 07-May-18 21:45:13

In English we spell the verb as follows practise
The noun itself is Practice as in “piano practice”
In no form of English is “appologies” correct.
Finally you used the possessive adjective your . When you mean it to be short for “You are” we write it “You’re”

And (big sigh) neither Jalima1108 nor I have expressed (or indeed have) relationship problems with our adult children so you must be thinking about somebody else.
Perhaps you could address your advice to them?

LiveLaughLaove Mon 07-May-18 21:42:10

MawBroon

"What international web page would that be?" -

You seriously can't afford to be this oblivious? Or are you?

You also seem oblivious to the fact that so focused on correcting my grammar, to the extent of correcting grammatically CORRECT words.

Don't leave your wisdom behind

LiveLaughLaove Mon 07-May-18 21:40:15

Jalima1108

Good for you. Now I can ignore you like I'm doing with Madgran77 as this post obviously doesn't relate to you.

LiveLaughLaove Mon 07-May-18 21:36:22

MawBroon

"What international web page would that be?" -

You seriously can't afford to be this oblivious? Or are you?

You also seem oblivious to the fact that so focused on correcting my grammar, to the extent of correcting grammatically words.

Don't leave your wisdom behind!

Jalima1108 Mon 07-May-18 21:33:52

find something else to do with your life
Sorry, have been far too busy with family.

Yes, I just closed the door and waved them all bye bye, see you tomorrow.

MawBroon Mon 07-May-18 21:21:48

Practise
What international web page would that be?

LiveLaughLaove Mon 07-May-18 21:21:01

Jamilla1108

"^ smell the roses^
They're not in flower yet"

Who cares if the roses are not in flowers yet? You're obviously missing the point, which is find something else to do with your life. The door is closed - and may still be closed even after they flower.

LiveLaughLaove Mon 07-May-18 21:17:30

MawBroon

www.gransnet.com/forums/grandads_shed and www.gransnet.com/forums/gardening/1247791-Any-tips-on-digging-holes

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt"

I totally agree, very kindly practice this. Don't leave your "wisdom," behind when engaging in petty insults on an international web page either.

Jalima1108 Mon 07-May-18 21:12:51

^ smell the roses^
They're not in flower yet

Jalima1108 Mon 07-May-18 21:11:31

confused

LiveLaughLaove Mon 07-May-18 21:07:00

Jalima1108

Plan to feel sorry for me? I'd suggest looking at either www.gransnet.com/forums/grandads_shed and www.gransnet.com/forums/gardening/1247791-Any-tips-on-digging-holes

Something that will help you or others find something else to do with their lives. You surely can't spend the rest of your life crying, and feeling sad over a door your AC has closed? Or do you? Step out, smell the roses, take a road trip, join a womens group and talk to new people, garden, join a yoga class - just find anything positive that you can do AND that will make you happy.

I don't understand why you'd even think about sparing any part of your weekend energy to feel "sorry for me or anyone else for that matter." Why would you?

MawBroon Mon 07-May-18 21:03:28

Oh I despair,
I at no time suggested anybody should apologise.
I offered my own apologies to anybody who felt I might have trivialised their heartbreak by saying I was personally indifferent to the subject.
(Is reading my words so hard?)
But what really bothers me is somebody who insists on writing “your” when they presumably mean “you’re” or after writing a screed and a half on apologies can still spell it with a double “p”.
Give it up.
Your lengthy opinions on the many types of apology are your own business.
If people like me (and there are indeed some grin) protest at the verbosity or your insistence that your view is the only valid one, that is our opinion.

As for the rest of it, the empty rhetoric speaks for itself.
If I do leave it at that, I am not bowing to your judgement, I am simply b-o-r-e-d with your self- appointed expertise and would just remind you of the wisdom of Abraham Lincoln when he said;
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt

Iam64 Mon 07-May-18 21:01:51

"hubby". seriously Jalima1108 I'd go further than a finger down the throat emoticon. I'd like to see lap tops, telephones and all technical equipment freeze for ever if the word is used.

Jalima1108 Mon 07-May-18 20:54:09

This doesn't even make any sense.
None of this thread makes much sense.

LiveLaughLaove Mon 07-May-18 20:52:11

"LLL I was not looking for apologies I was offering them to anybody whose experience was other to my own who might feel I was not according enough importance to their situation."

This doesn't even make any sense. Do you know the whole worlds experiences on estrangement and the value of an apology? Or how exactly are you measuring this on the basis of "importance."

Why would anyone feel that "you are not according their situation the importance it needs." Are you - or rather who made you the estrangement spokeswoman?

LiveLaughLaove Mon 07-May-18 20:46:28

^^"I am frankly indifferent to the issue....." + "Well I suppose we are all entitled to an opinion about such tosh and as far as I know you are not in a position to dictate otherwise hmm (audible eye roll)"

Good! Your finally making a little sense here. Now kindly practise what you've preached whilst paying special attention to your very own words, which I'd "surprisingly" shared a few posts behind gringrin:
1. **Indifferent to the issue
2.**Entitled to an opinion
3. **Not in a position to dictate otherwise

Asking someone to apologise to an entire group on the "assumption" that EVERYONE'S feelings are hurt is not even logical. How do you know that everyone is hurt? Why do you assume that no one benefited in one way or another? You surely can't assume that an entire nation shares your "indifferent opinion," and further needs to apologise for having their own independent opinions? Or do you? So after making all these assumptions and appointing yourself as the "apology spokeswoman," you then chose to insult me in one sentence and demand for an apology in the very next? And still expect to get it?hmm.

And if everyone is entitled to their opinion as you say above, why were you insisting on people to stop posting - while you still post for your opinion holds a special form of entitlement - then also insisting for me to be quiet for again your opinion (in your head) is more entitled.hmmhmm

Jalima1108 Mon 07-May-18 20:45:46

Is there a fingers down throat emoticon for anyone who uses the term hubby?

LLL If I had the energy to spare after my busy weekend I would feel sorry for you.
sad

MawBroon Sat 05-May-18 23:18:26

Agnurse I have no idea why your most recent post should be addressed to me.
I have no problems with my AC, I have no issues with them or my late husband in that respect. I have no personal experience of the situation you describe and I am frankly indifferent to the issue. I have no wish to discuss it either. PS the name is MawBroon.
LLL I was not looking for apologies I was offering them to anybody whose experience was other to my own who might feel I was not according enough importance to their situation. I did not in any wish to trivialise their personal heartbreak.
Why am I still posting?
Well I suppose we are all entitled to an opinion about such tosh and as far as I know you are not in a position to dictate otherwise hmm (audible eye roll)

Madgran77 Sat 05-May-18 20:07:58

LLL Usual double standard-victim responses

I don't understand why you are not responding to my comments; nor do I understand why my comments suggest either double standards or a victim response.....??

LiveLaughLaove Sat 05-May-18 16:50:40

It's quite ironical that people are AGAIN demanding for a genuine apology for their "feelings have been hurt." (Seriously?) Initially I'd mentioned how a simple apology could probably fix broken family bridges if done genuinely, for your actions in one way or another had somehow hurt your estranged AC. I was attacked and ridiculed in every way possible for no one felt it as being necessary. But now you want me to genuinely apologise for "hurting people's feelings," solely for I mentioned an apology could fix broken ends? One can't ridicule the concept of an apology then when things don't go their way still feel entitled to one.

LiveLaughLaove Sat 05-May-18 16:30:12

Gerispringer

I'm furthur surprised that with all your "higher degree qualifications in psychology and statistics" grin you've made no comments on the mental health posts, but try to discredit one on simple appologies? hmm. Really?

LiveLaughLaove Sat 05-May-18 16:18:53

Gerispringer

All the degrees and credentials anyone has, wouldn't make them exempt them from estrangement or a simple appology. Or would it? So again I'm not sure what role your credentials have to play on here. Or with ALL those credentials are you stating that an apology is meaningless and doesn't count? hmm. But to say you have all these higher degree in xyz and not needing any credentials to qualify that, then further discredit the posts - are you sure you're not the same person?confused For you still sound like her. hmm

LiveLaughLaove Sat 05-May-18 16:04:05

Mawbroom

Why are you still posting though? Didn't you state: "Please, please don’t feed this pointless discussion." But you're still feeding into it constantly - with anger, low jabs and now insultshmmhmm

Now you want apologies? For....what exactly? Hurting you're feelings or whose exactly? Again you're in control of your own happiness - and also in control of what you choose to read online. You do know that you're totally in control of choosing to ignore this post so that your "feelings don't get hurt."

So one reads something they didnt like, in fact it got them quite angered for it was an opinion vastly different than what they believe in. But instead of simply ignoring it, or engaging in a discussion like a mature adult, they chose to argue with and insult the poster, and try discredit their truth. Then when things still didn't go their way now they want me to apologise for hurting their feelings? Really? hmm