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LiveLaughLaove Wed 07-Mar-18 08:53:43

LIVE - LAUGH- LOVE-

I see a lot of hurt mothers on here, and I wonder where all went wrong. It’s quote unfortunate, and as much as everyone’s story may be different, the vast majority of conflict and estrangement seems to evolve between mothers and their adult sons. MILs and DILs can’t see eye to eye. Grandchildren cut off over adult fall outs. Sons being blamed for not having a backbone. Or being under their wives control. There’s obviously a disconnect somewhere. But where? After reading many of the responses, the common theme amongst 90% of the responses seems to be, “I’m estranged but I don’t know what I did wrong.” Again on a very case specific basis, do we all really not know what we did wrong, or are we too embarrassed to admit our faults to our estranged child? How many of sincerely apologize? When do we stop blaming others and reflect more on our own imperfections? Are we totally without blame? Were we respectful of other people’s choices? Are your apologies sincere?

An apology is an acknowledgment of one’s fault. An admission of discourtesy; followed by an expression of regret or remorse. An apology acknowledges the harm your actions caused. Irrespective of whether or not you think they were harmful. An apology is sincere. Its sincerity is self-spoken. Sincere apology open platforms for dialogue. Insincere apologies effectively add locks, to previously locked doors.

Was your apology sincere? Did it show that you’ve taking responsibility for your actions? Did your apology show you taking ownership? Taking ownership helps rebuild trust with the estranged individual. Apologies that lack sincerity, further function to jeopardize your overall integrity, and cause the relationship to be more toxic. Yes, apologizing is hard work. It means that one has to accept that they were wrong, admit to fault and shun their distasteful behavior. But at times our egos cloud our better judgment. Pride, family/social status. stubbornness, and embarrassment etc. further impair our better judgement. These are factors that inhibit our admission to fault. Start by expressing remorse, admitting responsibility, empathizing and making amends. Don’t offer excuses, never apologize when angry, don’t apologize repeatedly. Promise it will not happen again.

If your apologies sound/have sounded anything close to the ones listed below you to step back, rethink and re-offer a sincere apology to your estranged child. Remember an apology though necessary isn’t always sufficient, so allow for time to heal the wounds you caused. As you allow for time to do its job, remember integrity: its not in your place to dictate, control or question the victims healing time, or whether or not they choose to forgive you.

Examples of apologies that may be ignored on a lack of sincerity basis.

1.The power struggle apology. (Ok. I’m sorry. Why should I apologize first?).

2.The entitled apology. (I’m sorry. Remember, I’m your Mother/Father/Spouse etc)

3.The fake apology - (I’m sorry you/she/he, felt that way).

4.The assumptive apology. (I think I may have hurt you. I’m sorry).

5.Apologies that excuse the abuser’s bad behavior. (I’m sorry, but I only acted out of love).

6.Victim blaming apologies. (I’m sorry, but no one has ever made me so upset).

7.Victim shaming apologies. (I’m sorry but he/she shouldn’t have done that).

8.The evasive apology. (I’m sorry but I don’t know what I did wrong).

9.Apologies that dispute the abusers’ offence. (I’m sorry if that happened).

10.The controlling apologies. (I’m sorry but we need to move on).

11.The insincere apologies (Sorry but we’ve both made many mistakes).

12.The abusive apology. (I’m sorry but I’m hurting because of you)

13.The sarcastic apology. (Fine! I’m sorry).

14.The gas lighting apology. (I’m sorry, it’s all in your head – a very dangerous apology).

15.The expectations apology. (How many times have I said sorry?)

16.The reverse apology. (I’m sorry I hurt you, but you hurt me first).

17.The accusatory apology. (I’m sorry I called you lazy, but everyone thinks you’re lazy).

18.The mind game apology (I’m sorry but none of this would have happened if you’d listened to me).

19.The defensive apology. (I’m sorry, everyone knows it’s not in my character to act that way)

20.The manipulative apology. (I’m sorry, just trust me).

21.The treacherous/vengeful apology. (I’m sorry, but she/he needs to go).

How sincere are you when you apologize?

LiveLaughLaove Fri 27-Apr-18 22:23:30

Chewbacca -** kind disclaimer** On here and like everyone else who posts online, my posts are strictly opinionated. If you need accredited advice very kindly follow up with a licensed individual.

LiveLaughLaove Fri 27-Apr-18 22:18:58

Madgran77 your case scenario is obviously different, that's why I continuously use the word "some cases." An apology is obviously not warranted in the case an AC under "control." - Just reflect on whether its presumptive or factual control.

Chewbacca Fri 27-Apr-18 19:16:28

But, seeing as LLL has resurrected her thread, could I please ask again "what is your accreditation to be able to give so much advice"? -- I did ask weeks ago but never got a reply--.

MawBroon Fri 27-Apr-18 19:03:15

I can’t believe this has been revived.
Are we really so hard up for discussion material or does Live, Laugh, Laiove really feel there is anything more worth saying confused

Madgran77 Fri 27-Apr-18 18:57:26

LLL Ofcourse "AC will decide how they choose to live their lives and whom they choose to have a healthy relationship with"!! You appear to be assuming that in every case there must be something a parent has done to cause it! Do you agree that in some cases it may be that a partner of an AC wishes to CO because they do not want to "share" their partner or they want to have control. In a controlling relationships it is very common to cut off the controlled partner from their family, for no other reason than control!
It would be interesting to know whether you have personally experienced CO in some form, although I accept that you have free choice on whether you reply to that query or not!
I should add that I am not CO from my children so am not trying to say "I don't know what I did" or " negate accountability" or justify any "sense of entitlement!"

LiveLaughLaove Fri 27-Apr-18 15:26:54

AC will continue to live their lives as they please and choose whom they decide to have a healthy relationship with. Even God whose above all and who gave you children to bear does not force Himself onto their lives. He gives you a choice to either love Him or not. Why would anyone feel the need to disrespect their AC choice? You hurt your kids under the guise of, "I only did it out off love." But its easier to say you don't know what you did for that would negate any accountability on your end. Cutting off parents is nothing new, its being going on for centuries, only difference is that now people are not afraid to speak out on it. If you're too proud to appologise and think that time will eventually heal the rift, it won't. Some attitudes on here carry a heavy sense of entitlement. Then you wonder why your cut off. Honor your mother and father does not mean that one has to put up with their disrespect. In fact cutting one off is at times more respectful than engaging in back and forth insults with your own parents, or having them charged for abuse, harassment and stalking. But some parents feel they in their own right are entitled to do these things and get away with it for they are parents. But playing victim (for some) is always the easier way out.

gummybears Wed 21-Mar-18 08:23:03

Yoga, tbh I hope it's made up.

Yogagirl Wed 21-Mar-18 07:30:04

Is it a real story though [?] sounds too far fetched to me and if it is real... OMG! not surprised at the son's reaction!

gummybears Tue 20-Mar-18 20:02:21

I don't think even one of LLL's numbered apologies could fix what the letter writer and wife did grin

Jalima1108 Tue 20-Mar-18 19:09:57

Well, it is Agony MawBroon!
(the thread)

Madgran77 Tue 20-Mar-18 18:52:10

gummybearrs I was also stunned re the letter writers behaviour ...!!

Oopsadaisy12 Tue 20-Mar-18 18:48:56

I must stop looking at it!

Oopsadaisy12 Tue 20-Mar-18 18:48:35

This thread has gone on for soooooooooo very long.

MawBroon Tue 20-Mar-18 18:46:24

The “Agony Aunt”?

gummybears Tue 20-Mar-18 18:45:19

I'm confused - who is the same person?

I posted the link because I was absolutely gobsmacked at the conduct of the letter writer...

Chewbacca Tue 20-Mar-18 14:38:47

Same negativity. Same blank and white opinions. Same person, I reckon.

MawBroon Tue 20-Mar-18 12:44:10

Same person? ???

gummybears Tue 20-Mar-18 10:44:24

Was sent this link and has to drop it here as an example of "Yeah I Don't Think An Apology Is Going To Be Enough" (top story in the article)

Cringed as I read it sad

www.thestar.com/life/advice/2018/02/24/cut-off-from-grandchildren-after-cruel-comment-ask-ellie.html

MawBroon Mon 19-Mar-18 09:22:25

grin
Moving on......

OurKid1 Mon 19-Mar-18 08:34:30

I accept your apology unconditionally Maw. In fact I am grateful to you for pointing out my lack of attention to your post of 9th March. In my defence, after the first couple of posts my interest in this thread has been confined to wondering if it is still continuing ...

Just thought ... could this be the start of another strand? Acceptance of apologies - types of ...

To start - my acceptance is an apology through gritted teeth, tempered with a touch of sarcasm
defensiveness realisation that you are quite right.

I apologise for my lack of attentiveness. blush

(To avoid any misunderstanding Maw all of the above is tongue in cheek. grin )

Yogagirl Mon 19-Mar-18 07:07:58

grin grin

Chewbacca Sun 18-Mar-18 21:24:40

grin sincerely offered Maw. But will it be accepted?

MawBroon Sun 18-Mar-18 21:14:47

I apologise that I spotted something which you took a further 9 days to notice. Sincerely. grin

Chewbacca Sun 18-Mar-18 21:12:10

Number 10 seems to be a catchall kind of apology, would that do Maw?

trisher Sun 18-Mar-18 20:22:45

Oh MawBroon I think that needs an apology. You have 21 to choose from. grin